Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Wafflecakes]

why is there no proof? Yesterday I gave links to scientific studies, you could read in detail.

You ask why Eteri used these pills. Excuse me, who told you she used them? You present your own conjectures as a real, established fact. The fact of the matter is that, seeing the obvious uselessness of the drug, I strongly doubt that a smart coach or doctor would use it.

Well, I don’t argue about the fact that taking any drug on the banned list is a violation. I don't know how many more times I need to say this.

So your theory is what exactly? The drug magically teleported into her sample? That she decided to take it on her own because... a heart medication for the elderly might help?

We know she tested positive. That is not conjecture... that is fact. That is enough.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

As I understand it, the first group, not last, will have 7 skaters.

But yeah, it's a parody at this point.

Could possible be about the timeline though. 24 skaters equal 4 groups of 6 skaters. If they have maximum 6 skaters in each group they would have to have one extra group because of 25 in the FS and one extra ice resurfacing.

 

[viennaskater]

'Per ISU, the free skate will be skated with 7 skaters in the first group instead of 6 #Beijing2022'

I didn't think that was permitted due to safety reasons.

 

[skatesofgold]

I’m still excited to see the women’s event. Maybe I’m being naive and optimistic, but I’m going in being excited to watch skating.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I just want to watch skating. Do I think it's fair? No. Am I angry? Yes, but I still like the sport at face value.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Seeing how skaters like Medvedeva are happy for her, I don't think that's far off.

Well that just makes them look bad...the fact is every Russian skater past, present and future are going to look suspect now. After all if they don't think it's a big deal why wouldn't they do it too?

Is that fair? Probably not, but don't be surprised if this gets really big and other federations stop inviting Russian skaters to events and shows.

Japan in particular could really make life difficult.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Kamila wouldn't have received a medal from a pharmacist anyway - even if drug testing hadn't been done at all. But there are already quite a lot of owners of very dubious lawyer's medals.

Possibly. For all we know she would have been just as dominant without the drugs.

Too bad her team ruined that chance by presumably giving her banned substances.

The only ones to blame for the ruining of Kamila's reputation are Eteri, her team, and the Russian government/media that enable the child abuse.

 

[Wafflecakes]

by the way, happy owners of therapeutic exceptions receive their medals from pharmacists. And when the pharmacist is not at hand, the GOAT suddenly falls apart, as it did in Tokyo. It is difficult to count how many medals were stolen by such GOATS.

Its called following the rules.

ROC could do that too, if they were using meds that actually had medical justification to be used.

Its almost like there is a difference between someone who follows the rules and a cheater...

 

[florin]

She tested positive. That IS evidence.

Evidence of what? That she tested positive?

An accidental one-time infection that does not affect anything is not doping for which it should be punished, accuse of cheating, deception, "superman" etc.

In addition, there is a possibility of a false test. There is a possibility that this is another medicine that is allowed but for which the test will show the same result - like this lomerizin-drug:

According to the documents of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which are available to RT, traces of trimetazidine can be detected in the athlete's body if he used the migraine remedy lomerizin. It refers to approved medications.

In the event that an athlete's doping test has tested positive for trimetazidine, the laboratory that found it should make sure that there are also traces of the presence of lomerisin in the body.

Maybe this Swedish lab did this test. Or maybe not? Are you aware of the whole situation? Or have you already decided everything and just want a lynch trial?

 

[cheerknithanson]

Yeah, I feel the same way. I just want to watch skating. Do I think it's fair? No, Am I angry? Yes, but I still like the sport at face value.

I have other things to worry about and watching skating is a way for me to relax and be happy. I will still love figure skating and want to watch it. It brings me great joy to watch it. I’m not leaving.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

So your theory is what exactly? The drug magically teleported into her sample? That she decided to take it on her own because... a heart medication for the elderly might help?

We know she tested positive. That is not conjecture... that is fact. That is enough.

the fact so far is only a single positive test. This does not indicate the systematic use of pills, nor that it was an indication of the trainer. These are all your conjectures, and absolutely unsubstantiated.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I’m still excited to see the women’s event. Maybe I’m being naive and optimistic, but I’m going in being excited to watch skating.

Yeah, if anything I am more excited. Not necessarily in a good way but.....

Prior to this it was a shoe in for ROC 1-2-3. No drama at all.

It is unclear what impact the scandal will have. They could still sweep, or we could see major mistakes. It adds to the drama of the event.

 

[museksk8r]

Until now I was not in favor of raising the age limit to compete in senior ISU competitions, but after this decision I am 100% in favor of raising the age limit, so that no competitor has the unfair advantage of protective status regarding doping. If Valieva was never going to be tried as an “adult” competitor, then she absolutely should not be competing in “adult” tournaments. No one under the age of 16 should be competing at the Olympics, senior Worlds, European Championships, senior Grand Prix Final or senior Grand Prix events if this is the case. Figure skating lost today and there should be extreme consequences to be paid by Team Tutberidze. It absolutely disgusts me that that camp will receive any percentage of earnings from their skaters’ medal wins. Cheating should never be rewarded and all fairness and integrity have left this sport today. Extremely disappointing!!

 

[pyri4]

feel bad for the other podium finishers. there will be no ceremony so they will be handed their medal as if they bought it on ebay and someone "delivered" it to them.

 

[Mista Ekko]

'Per ISU, the free skate will be skated with 7 skaters in the first group instead of 6 #Beijing2022'

I didn't think that was permitted due to safety reasons.

the safety of skaters doesn't seem to be the main concern at this very moment

 

[viennaskater]

by the way, happy owners of therapeutic exceptions receive their medals from pharmacists. And when the pharmacist is not at hand, the GOAT suddenly falls apart, as it did in Tokyo. It is difficult to count how many medals were stolen by such GOATS.

Sorry but this is starting to sound ridiculous!

 

[susanf]

After being a fan of figure skating for over thirty years, I'm done. I will no longer be watching. This is a farce. And I don't think that even Doris could talk me off of this ledge.

To quote what Sandra Bezic said about Salt Lake 2002 , "I'm embarrassed for our sport."

 

[Wafflecakes]

the fact so far is only a single positive test. This does not indicate the systematic use of pills, nor that it was an indication of the trainer. These are all your conjectures, and absolutely unsubstantiated.

Once again. A test is not conjecture and it is substantiated. These machines are not a pair of dice that rolls a random number.

There are not THAT many ways it could have gotten into her system, and some of those ways are dramatically more likely than others.

If we wait for absolute proof then no doper would ever be punished since there is always that one in a million chance something bizarre happened. You have to work with what evidence you have, and that evidence overwhelming points to guilt.

 

[TontoK]

I’m still excited to see the women’s event. Maybe I’m being naive and optimistic, but I’m going in being excited to watch skating.

Perhaps it's a matter of age.

I've watched skating for many, many years. Not once have I intentionally watched a dirty event.

I'm not starting now.

 

[KaoriFan]

After being a fan of figure skating for over thirty years, I'm done. I will no longer be watching. This is a farce. And I don't think that Doris could talk me off of this ledge.

To quote what Sandra Bezic said about Salt Lake 2002 , "I'm embarrassed for our sport."

The olympics threatened to ban figure skating if there is another scandal after 2002. I wish they would, but I don't think they will. Figure skating would be so much better without the nationalistic olympic culture.

 

[anonymoose_au]

by the way, happy owners of therapeutic exceptions receive their medals from pharmacists. And when the pharmacist is not at hand, the GOAT suddenly falls apart, as it did in Tokyo. It is difficult to count how many medals were stolen by such GOATS.

OK I wasn't going to respond to this but I'm tired.

What exactly do you think ADHD meds do for people on ADHD? Do you KNOW how much dexamphetamine I take? 5mg a day. The script is kept at the pharmacy, I can only get a new bottle every 45 days and it can only be prescribed by a pyschistrist.

5mg or even 10mg (I am allowed to take it twice a day but I rarely do because I forget) will do diddly-squat in athletic sense. I can't do somersault and handsprings on it. But I CAN concentrate like a regular human being on it.

Simone Biles has a TUE, Kamila doesn't and because that drug is not suitable for children under 18 she can't have one, even if she does have angina.

You don't seem to get it, people won't trust Russian skaters anymore. People won't want Russian skaters in their competitions. People won't be fans anymore. The sport will die, all because some adult made a sh*try decision and Russia couldn't accept it and try to get to the bottom of it but came up with excuses.