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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

FWIW this a.m. - really, really early -both Weir and Lipinski flat out said the fault wasn't the skater's but that she shouldn't be allowed to skate. That this has tainted not only figure skating but the Olympics itself and that it's crucial that no one have medicinal additives to help them perform better, faster, etc
 
What is the problem with Valieva competing then she will lose her titles after investigation is concluded if she is guilty like Lance did

The problem is they're unbalancing an equation in the Sports world that failing drug tests is unacceptable,
the world does not revolve around one athlete, and even though it's an official indecision for the moment
people deserve to be pissed off and hurt over it, especially other athletes.
 
I don't think CAS "bought" anything apart from her being a minor and the test's result coming in very last minute
I'd wait until they published their decision. I think that if the judgement was based only on these 2 factors the hearing would not have taken 6+ hours, and the IOC officials would have been less evasive when asked why KV was allowed to skate. They basically say they don't know the full story yet until CAS makes the full version of their ruling available.
 
Okay, another opinion. I do not believe there is much state supported dopings, but I believe there is club supported or sport specific (had to use dictionary for that word, I hope it is right one). Even Finland had sport specific doping at the year of 2000. When it came to light during Cross country skiing WC in Finland, suddenly happened things to skiers. One got fever and could not compete, one broke his own ski pole and admitted later he did it in purpose. And we Finns (and probably Norwegians and Swedes, :biggrin:) have not forgotten it. One of those skiers is a commentator at Olympics and people do remind about it and remember it, Finns ourselves. I remember it because I have went to same school with one of the doctors involved and still I get it hard to believe why so nice guy did it.
 
I strongly disagree that it is not state supported and protected

What is the problem with Valieva competing then she will lose her titles after investigation is concluded if she is guilty like Lance did
Again, even if there will be another country or athlete caught doping, it does not matter in this thread, since it is about Valieva from Russia.

And her competing is a slap to a clean sport.
 
Here's the thing, based on the CAS statement, if Valieva was 16 and not 15 she wouldn't be competing today and Thursday. If there was a blanket 'the athlete can compete till they exhaust their appeals and lose those appeals' then I think more people would have less of an issue.
There is no way of knowing that. It could be that points c and d from the CAS ruling were just as good by themselves.
 
is it really so uncommon to use the same glass (not at the dinner table of course😃)?

I know I can drink tap water and then place my glass next to the sink with some water left, which my boyfriend can easily drink up, and vice versa. We can also drink from the same water bottle in the car for example. We are not professional athletes under scrutiny though.
It might not be uncommon to share a glass without washing it but it is 100% uncommon for it to be a way of sharing a medicine that dissolves not in water but in your intestines...
 
I strongly disagree that it is not state supported and protected

What is the problem with Valieva competing then she will lose her titles after investigation is concluded if she is guilty like Lance did

Umm how about the athletes losing out on their Olympic moment? If Valieva medals in the individual event (which is highly likely) there will be no flower or medal ceremony.
 
Umm how about the athletes loading out on their Olympic moment? If Valieva medals in the individual event (which is highly likely) there will be no flower or medal ceremony.
You can address that question to the IOC. Why they think it is acceptable.
 
I'd wait until they published their decision. I think that if the judgement was based only on these 2 factors the hearing would not have taken 6+ hours, and the IOC officials would have been less evasive when asked why KV was allowed to skate. They basically say they don't know the full story yet until CAS makes the full version of their ruling available.
So why claim CAS "bought" this version? I just refer to what they did publish by now, not to what they might mean or think or imply...
 
The problem is you're unbalancing an equation in the Sports world that doping is unacceptable,
the world does not revolve around one athlete, and even though it's an official indecision for the moment,
people deserve to be pissed off over it, especially other athletes, even if they accept it for now.
Again, even if there will be another country or athlete caught doping, it does not matter in this thread, since it is about Valieva from Russia.

And her competing is a slap to a clean sport.
It is relevent since he was 'investigated' for dopping for years(first claim was 1999) and their guy was allowed to compete so why would the Russians girl not be allowed the same due process?
 
It is relevent since he was 'investigated' for dopping for years(first claim was 1999) and their guy was allowed to compete so why would the Russians girl not allowed the same due process?

I'm sorry, who are you referring to?
You quoted me but I don't know who this is, are you referring to lance Armstrong?
 
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... and no one thinks that's a problem? Seriously?
Why should it be? What I meant was that if you don't check the label and consume something with a banned substance in it.

Obvisouly if there is just an indentical metabolite from a substance that is not banned but the metabolite is a marker of a banned one, that is another story, just like Calahang.
 
Spare me sure US does not dope. Remind me again why did Lance Armstrong compete for years doped up and only got 'caught' after he tried his luck in politics

Lance was caught, and when he was caught, he was drummed out of the sport and is a reviled and mocked person in the US. So spare me the "whataboutism".

Your "belief" about state sponsored doping in the US is irrelevant, as there is no proof to support that "belief".

Adam's opinion stands as a reasonable one.
 
FWIW this a.m. - really, really early -both Weir and Lipinski flat out said the fault wasn't the skater's but that she shouldn't be allowed to skate. That this has tainted not only figure skating but the Olympics itself and that it's crucial that no one have medicinal additives to help them perform better, faster, etc
If i were a commentator, I would have kept silent during the performance. Again, nothing against Kamila, but against the people who manage her, and also the people who manage the sports entity. There were better decisions to be made.
 
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