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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

While I don't like the clickbait headlines, it's almost impossible to get an organization like the IOC to do the responsible thing. In order to get results, there has to be outrage. Rage is useful when it leads to change.

Anyway, again this discussion has nothing to do with the primary issue which is child abuse and cheating.
 
How could she have "accidentally" ingested the medication at her grandfather's in Kazan when she was in St. Petersburg for days competing at Russian Nats? Even a basic factual examination of this claim makes no sense, nevermind the scientific fact that this medicine isn't transferrable from drinking from the same glass.
Hungarian media (https://index.hu/sport/2022/peking/...poharabol-ivott-onnan-a-pozitiv-doppingteszt/ ) says that "both her mother, Isu Vailjeva and the family's lawyer, Anna Kuzmeno claimed that Kamila had accidentally drank from the glass of his grandfather at the family's Christmas gathering on 24 December."

Which is imo rather strange, because Orthodox Christmas is celebrated on 7 January...
 
I cannot wait to see what kind of investigation there will be about Kamila's training environment and coaching team... because that's one of the points mentioned in the CAS ruling.. and honestly, one cannot give her "protection" in order to participate at the games and no "protection" as soon as the games are over... if she is indeed a vulnerable minor, then let's get her into a safer environment.
 
People keep bringing up Armstrong as some sort of gotcha. No one in the US believes that there aren’t cheaters in American sports. But it isn’t state endorsed, and when they are caught, the judgment is harsh. (With the exception of American Football-where some get a pass, but not from me).
Yeah very harsh like the guy finished his entire carrer while enjoying the fame, sponsors and benefits of being a champ.Next you will tell me it is swift as well
 
In order to get results, there has to be outrage. Rage is useful when it leads to change.
There should be outrage. Kamila's team should be investigated thoroughly and sanctioned to the fullest extent possible. The rules should be changed to prevent protected athletes from receiving preferential treatment when they skate in the same events as adults.

Having said that, I think the American commentators and the media could have been better explaining that the CAS didn't have much leeway here to prevent Kamila from competing. There are more scenarios in which protected athletes wouldn't be penalized, and the decision to let her compete, while outrageous, isn't controversial when examining the doping policies for protected athletes as they stand today. In certain scenarios, she can have banned substances in her system that a 16 year old cannot, and these exceptions need to be changed.
 
Hungarian media (https://index.hu/sport/2022/peking/...poharabol-ivott-onnan-a-pozitiv-doppingteszt/ ) says that "both her mother, Isu Vailjeva and the family's lawyer, Anna Kuzmeno claimed that Kamila had accidentally drank from the glass of his grandfather at the family's Christmas gathering on 24 December."

Which is imo rather strange, because Orthodox Christmas is celebrated on 7 January...
Stranger still, I think she is Muslim. But perhaps the family is of mixed religious heritage, or perhaps Christmas is celebrated as a holiday anyway.

This site lists Mulsim women in sports but I don't know if it is reliable, and I don't particularly care one way or the other, except it raises questions about the authenticity of the response to the charges.

 
Stranger still, I think she is Muslim. But perhaps the family is of mixed religious heritage, or perhaps Christmas is celebrated as a holiday anyway.

This site lists Mulsim women in sports but I don't know if it is reliable, and I don't particularly care one way or the other, except it raises questions about the authenticity of the response to the charges.

I think many Tatar Muslims are quite secular and people all over the world celebrate Christmas because they like decorations and gifts . However, none of my Russian friends celebrate Christmas in December.

Orthodox Christmas which is actually a religious not secular holiday in Russia, is on January 7th, and isn't a time most people gather and celebrate with their families.

New Year's is the important holiday in Russia which is celebrated with family, special food, gifts, and family. However, that timeline doesn't suit this ridiculous story so it's a bit difficult to use it as an excuse.
 
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I mean common sense tells you yes, because Japan is also in a medal position, isn't it?
I disagree about what "common sense" says. Lots of people are outraged about various aspects of the situation regardless of who might or might not win a medal if certain athletes are disqualified. There is a principle involved that goes beyond grubbing for medals.
 
Yeah very harsh like the guy finished his entire carrer while enjoying the fame, sponsors and benefits of being a champ.Next you will tell me it is swift as well
I didn’t say swift. Armstrong got away with it for way to long - probably due to him being in a sport most Americans rarely pay attention to and believe everyone in it is doping-, but he has been erased from everything that mattered to him. There is no legacy for his kid.
 
People keep bringing up Armstrong as some sort of gotcha. No one in the US believes that there aren’t cheaters in American sports. But it isn’t state endorsed, and when they are caught, the judgment is harsh. (With the exception of American Football-where some get a pass, but not from me).
But figure skating was never part of the state-sponsored doping scandal, neither was Eteri’s school, whose skaters have been tested numerous times in the last 8 years and were always clean. Kamila is denied the benefit of the doubt and the chance to defend herself just because she is Russian.
 
I didn’t say swift. Armstrong got away with it for way to long - probably due to him being in a sport most Americans rarely pay attention to and believe everyone in it is doping-, but he has been erased from everything that mattered to him. There is no legacy for his kid.
I think it's more that Armstrong had a very "good" doctor helping him dope. The doctor knew how to evade positive tests until the testing technology got better. He's almost as infamous as Armstrong. That seems to be the case is this instance too, doesn't it? " Good" doping doctors only make mistakes occasionally.
 
I disagree about what "common sense" says. Lots of people are outraged about various aspects of the situation regardless of who might or might not win a medal if certain athletes are disqualified. There is a principle involved that goes beyond grubbing for medals.
Japan is a very strong figure skating country. They have hosted many Olympics, both winter and summer, Worlds, GPFs, WTTs and every summer have a skating spectacular similar to what the US had when figure skating was in its heyday there. So yes, Japan would have very strong feelings about cheating and doping---and not because they are medal greedy. Russia is the one who is determined to sweep as many gold medals as possible at every event they enter.
 
Stranger still, I think she is Muslim. But perhaps the family is of mixed religious heritage, or perhaps Christmas is celebrated as a holiday anyway.

This site lists Mulsim women in sports but I don't know if it is reliable, and I don't particularly care one way or the other, except it raises questions about the authenticity of the response to the charges.

Ok, I did not compose my message very well :))) (I am not a native speaker, sorry for my poor English... :) )

Neither care I about the religion of athletes since in sports performance should be the only thing that matters.
Btw, many people in the post-soviet region are non-religious as a consequence of the decades of communist rule. (However, official national holidays are celebrated even by atheists.)

But in Russia Christmas as an official national holiday is celebrated on 7 January.
December 24-25-26 are ordinary workdays and weekend days whereas the holidays are around 7 January:
https://www.officeholidays.com/countries/russia/2021 and https://www.officeholidays.com/countries/russia/2022
Hence the Russian Nationals usually scheduled to around 24 Dec before the state-wide "holiday season" begins on 31 Dec and ends on 8 Jan.

And I am not saying the Valiev family could not have their Christmas gathering on 24 Dec. I am only saying that the possiblity of it is rather low whereas the possibility that is a bit of deviating from the truth to explain the presence of the grandpa and which would hopefully be overlooked by "ignorant Westeners :)" is much much higher.

So for me it indeed raises questions about the authenticity of their response to the charges.
 
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But figure skating was never part of the state-sponsored doping scandal, neither was Eteri’s school, whose skaters have been tested numerous times in the last 8 years and were always clean. Kamila is denied the benefit of the doubt and the chance to defend herself just because she is Russian.
Wasn’t part of the systematic cheating the bribes given for a heads up on the testing? If you get advanced notice, it’s easy to be clean.
 
There should be outrage. Kamila's team should be investigated thoroughly and sanctioned to the fullest extent possible. The rules should be changed to prevent protected athletes from receiving preferential treatment when they skate in the same events as adults.

Having said that, I think the American commentators and the media could have been better explaining that the CAS didn't have much leeway here to prevent Kamila from competing. There are more scenarios in which protected athletes wouldn't be penalized, and the decision to let her compete, while outrageous, isn't controversial when examining the doping policies for protected athletes as they stand today. In certain scenarios, she can have banned substances in her system that a 16 year old cannot, and these exceptions need to be changed.
So this may be overdramatic, but:

Figure Skating is dead. Figure Skating remains dead. They have killed it.

I'm out:dbana:
Not dead. Maybe in the ICU and badly in need of rehab but I’m not ready to pronounce it dead.
Not …just…yet.
 
Ok, I did not compose my message very well :))) (I am not a native speaker, sorry for my poor English... :) )

Neither care I about the religion of athletes since in sports performane should be the only thing that matters.
Btw, many people in the post-soviet region are non-religious as a consequence of the decades of communist rule. (However, official national holidays are celebrated even by atheists.)

But in Russia Christmas as an official national holiday is celebrated on 7 January.
December 24-25-26 are ordinary workdays and weekend days whereas the holidays are around 7 January:
https://www.officeholidays.com/countries/russia/2021 and https://www.officeholidays.com/countries/russia/2022
Hence the Russian Nationals usually scheduled to around 24 Dec before the state-wide "holiday season" begins on 31 Dec and ends on 8 Jan.

And I am not saying the Valiev family could not have their Christmas gathering on 24 Dec. I am only saying that the possiblity of it is rather low whereas the possibility that is a bit of deviating from the truth to explain the presence of the grandpa and which would hopefully be overlooked by "ignorant Westeners :)" is much much higher.

So for me it indeed raises questions about the authenticity of their response to the charges.
This is a very informative post, thank you.

In my mind, I had a picture of Russian families gathering around the television after the presents had been opened and the Christmas dinner to watch Russian Nationals together - part of the holiday tradition, similar to New Years Day bowl games in America. I assumed that was why the competition was always held around Christmas.
 
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