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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

so apparently the amount of tmz found in the probe and therefore in her system is around 200x times higher than the concentration of another athlete who precious proved that her concentration came from a contaminated product. and ," expert witnesses summoned by Valieva’s team conceded, that the 2.1 nanograms were “actually very consistent with the tail end of an excretion,” if a full dose of TMZ had been taken days earlier."
So the excuse that it mind have been contaminated also falls. I didn't think it would come there from L-Carnitine and Hypoxen (they didn't claim it, but some fans thought it might have been contaminated in general). So unless she took something else by accident, it really seems like she ingested it, like she said, from Grandpa's glass (sarcasm) :rolleye: In fact, she must have taken the full dose, if it was accidental from the glass, I think the amount would be much smaller.
 
They do in a foreign country. Otherwise they find themselves immediately in prison.
To be clear, I'm quite sure they could lay charges without permission. The issue would be arresting a foreign national in their home country if that country doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States. However, it does severely limit the countries an individual can travel to, because the US does have extradition treaties with quite a number of countries.
 
To be clear, I'm quite sure they could lay charges without permission. The issue would be arresting a foreign national in their home country if that country doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States. However, it does severely limit the countries an individual can travel to, because the US does have extradition treaties with quite a number of countries.
Even extradiction treaties require the cooperation of the other country.
In 2018 Hungary simply denied the extradiction of two arm dealers to the US despite having a treaty with America:
Hungary said "sorry, no" and the US wasn't able to do anything against it apart from expressing its disappointment.

And do not get me wrong, I do not agree with it at all.
And I really really want the entire TT to be prosecuted and punished, at the very least for child abuse.
I am just saying that hoping for the R. act to be used effectively against them sounds a bit naive for me.
 
so apparently the amount of tmz found in the probe and therefore in her system is around 200x times higher than the concentration of another athlete who precious proved that her concentration came from a contaminated product. and ," expert witnesses summoned by Valieva’s team conceded, that the 2.1 nanograms were “actually very consistent with the tail end of an excretion,” if a full dose of TMZ had been taken days earlier."
Another athlete is Cox?Then Tygart is apparently bad at math. Сox had 0.1 ng/mL. If you increase this by 200 times, you get 20 ng/mL. And when they checked the Cooper Complete Elite Athletic multivitamin, the Trimetazidine contamination reached 4 ng/mL in each tablet.

And it’s not entirely clear to me how this drug was discovered in Cox. It says here that the limits of detection are 0.5-50 ng/mL.
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Sorry, I pressed enter too early...

I am also an expert either... but I am also pretty sure Canada would oblige... I can imagine for instance that Japan and France would also oblige to such an ask and collaborate...
And then Russian skaters would be not allowed to skate at Skate America, Skate Canada, NHK Trophy, Internationaux de France...
Yes, I think this is quite possible.
and potentially worlds (probably too soon for France 2022, but Japan 2023 and Canada 2024)
 
From what we know publically, Kamila is very unlikely to win her case. I'm really baffled why someone hasn't intervened and told her to pull out. I'm curious to who is able to talk to her besides her coaching team. People are not going to look kindly on her denying others a medal ceremony knowing she was unlikely to win her case.
Based on the WADA code, there was no exception provided for as regards the provisional suspension, and she in on the ice.
Based on the WADA code, there does not need to be a ban since she is a protected person, or the suspension can be as short as they want.
I wouldn't bet she will not win her case.
 
When an athlete fail a doping test a certain date/ competition, all the results after that date(for the length of the suspension) will be declared null & void.

Kamilla's test was on Dec 25 right? IF in the end she is gets a 6 month suspension(lesser suspension time for minors & all that), then all the her competition results from Dec 25, 2021 till June 24 2022 is null & void. The is the standard practice in all sports for doping test.

Since the duration between Dec 25 to the Women's SP is less than 2 months, I don't think she can escape her Olympics medal in Team & Individual getting 'taken away'. Not with the worldwide scrutiny. Kamilla's defense did not say she didn't take the TMZ but that she accidentally ingested it. It still entered her body.

Unless Russia somehow managed to wiggle this through & get her a tiny weeny 30 day ban.
I’m not nor have I seen anyone suggesting she is free and clear by any means but that the procedure itself to handle Kamila’s case may and in fact appears to be different than if she were to test positive at the Olympics. Failing on site at the Olympics would be an immediate suspension right there on the spot. Since the test was submitted two months back and only now coming back as positive the appeals process may be completely different than the proceedings for testing positive on the Olympic grounds. I think this is somewhat unprecedented to be honest.

It doesn’t mean that she is going to wiggle free. It just means that her opportunity to appeal the December results and for WADA to test the b sample and afford her due process should have been done back in January or sooner. At this point there is only speculation as to why the sample wasn’t tested promptly but ultimately that responsibility falls on WADA, IOC and even ISU to some extent. Whether WADA is being bamboozled by ROC and RUSADA or just dropped the ball is completely irrelevant at this point whether we like it or not.
 
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...including figure skating which is usually the flag bearer of winter sports during the Olympic Games...
I suppose it applies to the US only - because for instance in the Czech Republic, Finland etc. ice hockey is the most popular winter sport, in the Netherlands speed skating, in Austria and Switzerland alpine skiing, in Germany luge and skeleton...
In all these countries the popularity of figure skating is rather low without any scandals.
 
Bad news for Eteri coaches team, they cannot travel to US and all other countries which have extradition treaties with United States.
If FBI touches Eteri (especially for extradiction) - it will be 100 times harder blow to figure skating PR than any granda story.
 
Popularity of figure skating in most European countries might be low, but we still don't like dopers and while it doesn't make front-page news, ther are still several articles in the sport sections. To be honest, making this about "Russia vs the West" is just so annoying. "The West" isn't a monolith and suspecting anyone who is anti-doping to be anti-Russia is frankly disrespectful and smacks more of nationalism on the side of Valieva's defenders. I have nothing against Russia as a country, but this "us vs them" defensiveness is getting on my nerves and it helps noone.
 
Popularity of figure skating in most European countries might be low, but we still don't like dopers and while it doesn't make front-page news, ther are still several articles in the sport sections. To be honest, making this about "Russia vs the West" is just so annoying. "The West" isn't a monolith and suspecting anyone who is anti-doping to be anti-Russia is frankly disrespectful and smacks more of nationalism on the side of Valieva's defenders. I have nothing against Russia as a country, but this "us vs them" defensiveness is getting on my nerves and it helps noone.

Wait, you're not North American and you don't like doping? 🤯
I don't get it, is that a thing? 🤔
 
To be clear, I'm quite sure they could lay charges without permission. The issue would be arresting a foreign national in their home country if that country doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States. However, it does severely limit the countries an individual can travel to, because the US does have extradition treaties with quite a number of countries.
Imagine Eteri having to settle for a holiday in Sochi instead of her usual Miami 😱
 
But she will probable become persona non grata on the international arena, no big ad contracts, no skate shows. She's already been kind of "cancelled" in the US, even before any investigation took place.
I am not familiar with the Russian situation but in Hungary an olympic champion is given from the Hungarian state a prize award of 50 million HUF (approx. 160,000 USD), which is more than the average housing price in the capital (37 million Huf). Plus after reaching the age of 35 olympic champions are entitled of a monthly stipend which equals with the average net salary in the country.

I don't know how Russian olympic champions are rewarded but I bet Valieva won't beg American sponsors or ice shows to employ her. From the moment she wins, she is a millionaire.
 
Anybody know what this "Lostsports" website is?

They're the same ones who published the article that was shared here quoting the head of the ROC
saying the sample only arrived at the Swedish lab on Jan 19th, and now we have another quote here.
Not so sure they really wanted to distort it (19 Jan , that is). It was the use of the " it turns out that" in the English version that gave the impression the quoted person presented it as an established fact. Plus a lot of people often have a problem understanding implicit meanings and other language subtleties even in their mother tongue.
 
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