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The sample is supposed to be anonymous do I doubt they would know.
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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So you can't find a single example where I keep accusing them of causing ALL Kamila's problems? - your words. That's what I thought.
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Because you are not allowed to dope at any time!!!
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I would love for Kamila to dominate women's FS the next few years! Medvedeva-style
Going for the gold: PM unveils handsome sum for athletes who clinch 2022 Olympic wins
Russian athletes will be awarded $52,280 in prize money for each gold medal
Absolutely a government can control who enters. Not only did we have the Novax problem but we also have a history of not allowing visas to Holocaust deniers.
But it would depend on who was making the decision and possibly whether there were any political benefits.
However in terms of sport and doping it is way passed the time that coaches should be equally accountable especially if there is a child in their care - even if it is frame as neglect since many parents in search of a world beater child may have to hand over a lot of control to the coach.
Russian Olympic Committee rejects ‘preliminary’ wording in regard to figure skaters
IOC spokesman Mark Adams, stated on Wednesday that results of the women’s singles competition at the 2022 Olympics would be labeled as ‘preliminary’ should Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva finish the event on the podium
And whose fault is that?
Let me guess: the evil "Western" media propaganda?
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Yes, this.
When this doping story came out, I was willing to give Kamila the benefit of the doubt, thinking that maybe it was a false positive, or that it is possible she ingested the substance by mistake somehow, through a contaminated product. But if this is what her lawyers say (or what they lett he family say), then they really couldn't have done any worse. Noone is going to believe this, and neither am I. It is blatantly obvious that she indeed received the PED.
And through this transparent excuse, the blame has been shifted on Kamila's family. Someone on GS posted this theory, basically saying 'just you wait, they'll have Kamila's family take the blame' - and here we have it.
It is infuriating for me, as I like Kamila's skating, and her career in seniors has not even fully started yet and already is in very real danger of being cut short. And it's not her who deserves to suffer from mental breakdowns, but rather those who knowingly gave PED to her (whoever they are), and are now ready to sacrifice her, should the trial go wrong.Some here are saying that Kamila should have WD and taken a public stance. But I don't think it's that simple for her. I agree with a commentator in my country (who is also an active tech specialist and thus an insider in the FS world): You don't say no to Eteri and her team without consequences. And in this case, it's obvious the entire Russian skating federation stands behind the coach who has brought them fame and success. I have no idea how Kamila could withstand all of these. Maybe if she had already had Evgenia's or Trusova's level of success and incomes, and also their age - but she's just 15, and her first senior season hasn't even finished yet. What would happen to her if she opposed her own Fed?
She'd still get a ban most likely, but I'm afraid her skating future in Russia would be severely compromised, and it's not like she can relocate to train abroad at just 15. My heart goes out to her. Looks to me like she and her family (unless they roll in money) don't have a choice, and have to say what they're told to say by the powers that be. Kamila's team have really done her dirty. 
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And through this transparent excuse, the blame has been shifted on Kamila's family. Someone on GS posted this theory, basically saying 'just you wait, they'll have Kamila's family take the blame' - and here we have it.
If this concludes in a few months or whenever with Kamila or her family being left high and dry
it would be very hard for me to enjoy anything out of Sambo 70
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Media propaganda definitely has a lot of input in such issues.
I think Kamila will do all right in Russia, no matter the ruling. I suspect she will end up with a light sentence. She will be hailed a hero who was sacrificed to the Western "vultures" and still brought home an Olympic medal. Of course her family will take the fall, not Eteri and co. The Russian media I've followed have almost exclusively been supportive of her, focusing not so much on whether she doped, but mostly on the West attacking her and how even if other skaters doped they still wouldn't reach her level. AFAIK, none of the Russian coaches or athletes have spoken out in support of clean sport. If there are Russian speakers who disagree with my read on things, please tell me. There is NO WAY Kamila would have withdrawn, like that was even an option, and I don't believe a more experienced or well-established skater like Evgenia or even Liza would have withdrawn in her case. Russia treats their figure skaters (and all their athletes) like extensions of their military and state. They are there to win for their country, no matter the cost. If they doped, well they just wanted it that much more and worked that much harder for it. After watching the events unfold last week, that's my view of how things work over there.Yes, this.
When this doping story came out, I was willing to give Kamila the benefit of the doubt, thinking that maybe it was a false positive, or that it is possible she ingested the substance by mistake somehow, through a contaminated product. But if this is what her lawyers say (or what they lett he family say), then they really couldn't have done any worse. Noone is going to believe this, and neither am I. It is blatantly obvious that she indeed received the PED.
And through this transparent excuse, the blame has been shifted on Kamila's family. Someone on GS posted this theory, basically saying 'just you wait, they'll have Kamila's family take the blame' - and here we have it.
Some here are saying that Kamila should have WD and taken a public stance. But I don't think it's that simple for her. I agree with a commentator in my country (who is also an active tech specialist and thus an insider in the FS world): You don't say no to Eteri and her team without consequences. And in this case, it's obvious the entire Russian skating federation stands behind the coach who has brought them fame and success. I have no idea how Kamila could withstand all of these. Maybe if she had already had Evgenia's or Trusova's level of success and incomes, and also their age - but she's just 15, and her first senior season hasn't even finished yet. What would happen to her if she opposed her own Fed?
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I don't think FBI has any chance to touch Eteri. It's just a message to Eteri, don't come or you will get some trouble. It's more likely that Eteri coaches team won't get travel visa approval in United States and beyond.
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Hmm I am also not sure how they are rewarded but I don't think she will be a millionaire, certainly does not look like Julia Lipnitskaja is one. From what I can gather from her social media she's having a modest lifestyle.
I think Russia gets way more olympic champions than Hungary (in skiing, biathlon, hockey....) I don't think they can award each and every oly champion with this much money.
See Fanof's link: it is a "handsome sum." Not a millionaire technically, but among Russian conditions she will be a rather wealthy young lady.Going for the gold: PM unveils handsome sum for athletes who clinch 2022 Olympic wins
Russian athletes will be awarded $52,280 in prize money for each gold medaltass.com
I don't think you understood my post. (Btw there was a half sentence before "so what?")
What I wanted to say is that the US has very few means to effectively punish TT ot Russia.
Absolutely, this is not the criminal court and in the eyes of the anti-doping court, a positive test for a banned substance is evidence of guilt. Then the onus is on the athletes and their team to prove that the substance entered their body through contamination or other unintentional means.
Disregarding whether Valieva was intentionally doped or not, people are upset that the procedure appeared to give her preferential treatment compared to others athletes.
Russian Olympic chief rejects Valieva decision
Russian officials have reacted angrily to the announcement that Kamila Valieva’s results in Beijing would only be ‘provisional’
What about her European Championship Gold Medal that she received while being Doped!
Other nations have criminal liability for doping including France, location of the World Championships in March.
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