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Not only does Adam not have a quad his 3A is iffy yet he scores over 200.
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Who Might Win Over Adam Rippon?
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I haven't been paying much attention to juniors (starting to become an Adam fan) but I wouldn't expect that many junior men to have a consistent 3A in competition, nor a quad. But Adam has been working on his 3A (another poster suggested that it is more consistent now but there wasn't time to work it into the choreography, sorry I can't remember the thread) and he is working to have a quad for when he moves up to the senior level.
Can you give me some names of nonAmerican boys who might be able to beat him?
Can you give me some names of nonAmerican boys who might be able to beat him?
Adam placed 2nd to Artem Borodulin of Russia in one of his JGP events. Artem broke his leg and was unable to compete in the JGPF. He is an alternate for Junior Worlds and if he is healed, he might be in the competition. Borodulin can deliver the occasional spectacular performances, but he is not the world's most consistent skater, and after being off the ice for a long time due to injury, I am not sure he will be in top competitive shape.
Ivan Bariev won two silver medals in the JGP and went to the JGPF, where he had a disappointing showing.
Jinlin Guan at his best is capable of generating some high scores, but like Bariev, he was a disappointment at the JGPF.
Kevin Reynolds has quads and an iffy 3A, but he is a mechanical skater with little artistic flair. He finished 4th at JW last season, and was a disappointment in the GP this season, unlike Carriere, Chan and Voronov (the 2007 JW top 3) who went on to win GP medals.
I think Rippon's biggest competition will come from Guan and Brandon Mroz, and maybe from Bariev.
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Ivan Bariev won two silver medals in the JGP and went to the JGPF, where he had a disappointing showing.
Jinlin Guan at his best is capable of generating some high scores, but like Bariev, he was a disappointment at the JGPF.
Kevin Reynolds has quads and an iffy 3A, but he is a mechanical skater with little artistic flair. He finished 4th at JW last season, and was a disappointment in the GP this season, unlike Carriere, Chan and Voronov (the 2007 JW top 3) who went on to win GP medals.
I think Rippon's biggest competition will come from Guan and Brandon Mroz, and maybe from Bariev.
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I think that Adam will compete with himself only. His personal best score is 203.20, this is the 26th best score ever. There is no other junior men who would be placed higher. Second best junior skater (due to personal best) is Artem Borodulin - he is 42nd (190.67) and third best junior skater is Brandon Mroz who is 48th (187.34).
If Adam keeps his nerves under control he will win without any doubts. He doesn't need triple axel, which possibly means that we will have Junior Champion without seeing triple axel on his programs. It is sad but new judging system allows it. Adam is a very good skater with emotional presentation, solid jumps (except triple axel), great spins and good skating skills. These qualities balance triple axel...
If Adam keeps his nerves under control he will win without any doubts. He doesn't need triple axel, which possibly means that we will have Junior Champion without seeing triple axel on his programs. It is sad but new judging system allows it. Adam is a very good skater with emotional presentation, solid jumps (except triple axel), great spins and good skating skills. These qualities balance triple axel...
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I think the cool thing about Juniors is that surprises are possible. There could be a junior skater somewhere on this World, perhaps China or Japan or Russia, who made incredible progress over the last year and could perhaps challenge Adam Rippon. Two years ago Mirai Nagasu didn't qualify for the National championships, last year she became Junior National Champion and Junior Vice-World Champion and this year she is Senior National Champion...
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If he skates like he did at Nats (perfectly) he will win for sure. Brandon does have a shot, however if Adam is off that day. efreedman--is his 3A consistent at this time?
I didn't ask him about the consistency of his 3A but asked about it more generically, i.e., are you doing a triple axel? He indicated that the reason why he didn't include it was for choreographical reasons. I guess that if he is consistent and elects to use it at Junior Worlds, we will find out.
Many skaters from all countries are competing at JGP. There are test skates before each season also (at least I think so). If there was any skater who made a shocking progress this year - we would already know it.
If we would speculate there is some other great skater who we don't know yet.....unknown skater who would skate great programs and land triple jumps and triple axel.....this skater would never get as high points for component mark as Adam and as high points for spins and steps as Adam....in long program component mark is multipled twice...
I think everything is on Adam. At US Nats he faced up the pressure very well...
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He is an incredibly talented skater, with lovely edges and excellent presentation for being so young.
I think he could beat a number of senior skaters.
I think he could beat a number of senior skaters.
Maybe Michal Brezina (if he has a good day). I saw him to win the Nebelhorn-Trophy 2007 and beat Tomas Verner. He is incredibly talented. He has a quad and two 3A in his LP.
Michal is one of the most talented European young skaters. He really executes two 3A in long program, he also has 3A in short program. In practise he jumps quad (some people are talking about quad toeloop, other people about quad salchow, maybe he lands both of these jumps). Together with Nebelhorn Trophy title he won silver medal at JGP in Chemnitz this season.
Michal is another skater with great skating skills and presentation. I especially like his short program to Sing, Sing, Sing - it is entertaining from the beginning to the end.
With clean programs he can easily finish in top 5.
From Canada .... Elladj Blade has a consistant 3 axel and is working on presentation. Kevin Renolds, although not artistic, did land a quad, triple, triple combo at Nationals. Jeremy Ten is the articstic one in this group.
Looking for great results from Crone/Poirier in dance.
Hoping Pisotta/Stewart can keep it together in pairs.
Not much of a Sampson fan so not expecting much from her.
Looking for great results from Crone/Poirier in dance.
Hoping Pisotta/Stewart can keep it together in pairs.
Not much of a Sampson fan so not expecting much from her.
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I've never heard about Brezina. What country is he from? Has he been competing for a long time?
I actually thought 3 years ago, that Adam would walk away with this It's nice to know there are some skaters who will also skate about the same as Adam. I love competition.
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chuckm, sorry, I didn't mean to imply I thought the Canadian boys would beat Adam, I was pointing out to an earlier post that there are boys who will be competing who have consistent 3 axel and quad, triple combos. These boys have some big tricks but not the whole package yet.
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No doubt about Adam being an exceptinal figure skater in terms of everythin he does except there is no 3A and no quad Other skaters, imo, can override him with one or both of these missing element provided they know how to figure skate. jmo.
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I prefer the thread title of "Who Can Win Over Adam Rippon?" myself. 
Well, the only skater who has defeated Rippon this season, Artem Borodulin (1st at the JGP in Sofia, Bulgaria to Rippon's 2nd), has been added to the Russian men's entries as of today. Borodulin broke his ankle this past November and had to withdraw from the JGP Final and also missed Russian Junior Nationals in early February. (Borodulin has replaced Vladimir Uspenski, who was 3rd at Russian Junior Nationals.)
Well, the only skater who has defeated Rippon this season, Artem Borodulin (1st at the JGP in Sofia, Bulgaria to Rippon's 2nd), has been added to the Russian men's entries as of today. Borodulin broke his ankle this past November and had to withdraw from the JGP Final and also missed Russian Junior Nationals in early February. (Borodulin has replaced Vladimir Uspenski, who was 3rd at Russian Junior Nationals.)
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As mentioned earlier in this thread, Borodulin can challenge, but it is doubtful that he is in top shape after having such a serious injury and losing so much practice time.
As to Rippon, he DOES have a 3A, he just didn't put it in his FS, which was choreographed before he had the 3A consistent. He doesn't seem to need it, as he won the JGPF without it, and he beat Mroz (who does have a 3A) handily at Nationals.
Kevin Reynolds has two quads, but he did poorly at the GP because his other skills lag far behind his jumps, and he was beaten by several men who didn't have the quad. It's one thing to be able to do difficult jumps, and quite another to weave them seamlessly into a program. Most Junior men don't have that ability.
As to Rippon, he DOES have a 3A, he just didn't put it in his FS, which was choreographed before he had the 3A consistent. He doesn't seem to need it, as he won the JGPF without it, and he beat Mroz (who does have a 3A) handily at Nationals.
Kevin Reynolds has two quads, but he did poorly at the GP because his other skills lag far behind his jumps, and he was beaten by several men who didn't have the quad. It's one thing to be able to do difficult jumps, and quite another to weave them seamlessly into a program. Most Junior men don't have that ability.
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