Totally disagree. They are very musical, have great style and were well-matched to each other. They also knew how to perform. IMO, they deserved higher PCS than K/B. Sheremetieva/Kuznetsov have a couple of seasons left in Juniors to develop their side-by-side jumps and up their levels. They have good throws (flip and loop) so, imo it's a matter of time. Additionally, he was injured earlier in the season.
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Totally disagree. They are very musical, have great style and were well-matched to each other. They also knew how to perform. IMO, they deserved higher PCS than K/B. Sheremetieva/Kuznetsov have a couple of seasons left in Juniors to develop their side-by-side jumps and up their levels. They have good throws (flip and loop) so, imo it's a matter of time. Additionally, he was injured earlier in the season.
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There's a question that has puzzled me for a long time. Why is it so difficult for Jr. pairs to do a clean program? I mean, Jr. ladies and men can pump out one clean lp after lp doing 6 or 7 triples... On the other hand, it's so rare to see a clean lp at Jr. pairs level. How many falls have we seen in this competition? Too many... I mean, it's not likely they're doing 6 or 7 triples, they are only required to do 2 throws, 2 jump passes...
There's a question that has puzzled me for a long time. Why is it so difficult for Jr. pairs to do a clean program? I mean, Jr. ladies and men can pump out one clean lp after lp doing 6 or 7 triples... On the other hand, it's so rare to see a clean lp at Jr. pairs level. How many falls have we seen in this competition? Too many... I mean, it's not likely they're doing 6 or 7 triples, they are only required to do 2 throws, 2 jump passes...
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Lack of experience? Shorter time together as a pair? Who knows.
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I think it is more difficult.
Senior pair skaters also hit their prime later than the typical single skater. Zhao/Shen were 28 and 33 last year, Savchenko is 24 and Szolkowy is 28, Pang/Tong turn 29 this year...
Perhaps it is the combination of all the different elements. They do all the stuff single skaters do, just less difficult jumps. But they also have the Twist, the throw-jumps, the lifts, the pair spins. They have to be able to complete everything, they need to be in sync - also requires training. Plus, I think there is lots of experience involved - to understand each other, to trust each other etc.
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21 points deduction in free skate in total. Probably 1 fall per pair excluding a few of time violation deductions.
7 points deduction in short program...
Anybody interested in taking a look at senior pairs? Euros? 4cc? Worlds?
7 points deduction in short program...
Anybody interested in taking a look at senior pairs? Euros? 4cc? Worlds?
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seems like the US pair teams are much stronger than the US senior pairs
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Maybe that's what made McLaughlin and Bruebaker a rarity? keep your eye on Carman and Kniernan next season in Juniors.
I agree that Carman and Knierim will be a strong team, they already have the best triple twist I have ever seen. I would keep your eye on Chase and Speroff as well, I was very impressed with them at Nationals after only four months together to skate so well. They have a great (mature) chemistry together, I also heard that they both are strong jumpers with DA and at least a triple or two. I would look for both of these teams to make a statement next year.
Carman/Knierim and Chase/Speroff will have just one season of Junior eligibility, because Chris turned 20 in November, and Andrew turns 20 in May.
In the 2009-2010 season, Carman/Knierim will be in the position that McLaughlin/Brubaker were in this season: she will be 14 and too young for Senior ISU Championships, and he will be too old for Juniors.
There's another Novice couple that may get a shot at one JGP event next season: Cassie Andrews and Nicholas Anderson. They won the Intermediate Championship in 2007 and finished 5th as Novices this season. At 14 and 17, they are one of the few Novice and Junior Pairs that will be Junior-eligible for more than one season.
In the 2009-2010 season, Carman/Knierim will be in the position that McLaughlin/Brubaker were in this season: she will be 14 and too young for Senior ISU Championships, and he will be too old for Juniors.
There's another Novice couple that may get a shot at one JGP event next season: Cassie Andrews and Nicholas Anderson. They won the Intermediate Championship in 2007 and finished 5th as Novices this season. At 14 and 17, they are one of the few Novice and Junior Pairs that will be Junior-eligible for more than one season.
I don't know about that. I thought the level of the US pairs teams was disappointing. P/N have nice style and pizzaz, but they didn't have one clean jumping pass, and don't have a second triple throw. That might work for Juniors, but Seniors is a whole different ball game. Butler and Jacobsen didn't land a throw triple and had a double axel downgraded. Guillen and Curzon had the most difficulty in terms of jumps and throws, but they had a rough skate. All of these teams are aging out, so I don't know how they'll fare in Seniors, particularly Butler/Jacobsen.
My favorite team at Nationals was Tanovich/Chau. They were wonderful.
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Check out Carrman and Kniernan who won Novice. They will be most compeitive in Juniors next season and give McL/Bru a run for their money in the following season.
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I may be one of the few people who is not as excited about Tanovich and Chau (long term) as others are. They are great now, however Michael is maybe all of 5'4 (and 16-17 years old) and Tracy has yet to hit puberty. If I am not mistaken Tracy is only about 6 inches shorter than Michael right now at 12 years old. As exciting as this team is now, I don't want to put a whole lot of hope in the future quite yet. That being said I am willing to enjoy their performances now, because to me they are very special. They would have well represented US at JW and it is a shame they could not go.
With regards to Carman and Knierim, they will certainly be the top team going into Juniors, however I don't think McLaughlin and Brubaker have any worries yet! Carman and Knierim have a great twist and some incredible lifts (due to her size), but they have other areas of their skating that still need work to be competitive at a Senior level. They show a lot of promise, but both skaters are still very young and I hope that they do not rush up to the Senior level before they are ready. I do see a long term future for these two if they are patient.
With regards to Carman and Knierim, they will certainly be the top team going into Juniors, however I don't think McLaughlin and Brubaker have any worries yet! Carman and Knierim have a great twist and some incredible lifts (due to her size), but they have other areas of their skating that still need work to be competitive at a Senior level. They show a lot of promise, but both skaters are still very young and I hope that they do not rush up to the Senior level before they are ready. I do see a long term future for these two if they are patient.
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