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Totally agree about the above ladies selling their programs.
Kimmie and her new coach speak out
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Totally agree about the above ladies selling their programs.
Hi guys, It seems that it was only yesterday that fans and non fans were talking about Sasha Cohen and trying to analize and figure out what her problems were. Then Gimmie Kimmie came on the scene-the next best thing since sliced bread. Now it seems as if Kimmie is going through the same thing--falling on her jumps. Probably Kimmie should talk to Sasha and ask her how come she fell when she did her jumps.
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I agree with Red Dog in that Kimmie never had the entire package. When won the worlds in 06, Peggy Fleming commented that Kimmie had potentail and that She could be a star "someday" or somthing along those lines. Her artistry had a long way to go and her spins weren't the best by any means. Her spirals were often wobbly. she had rock solid jumps and good speed going in and out of them.
The entire package, yes was michelle kwan. flexiblity, artistry, the jumps, the spins. another example are shen and zhao post 2002. Yagudin had the whole package in 2002, the jumps, the footwork and the ability to sell the choreography.
anyway, kimmie did not have, and does not have now the whole package. Her artistry has improved, her spins are a little better but and as we saw this season, if she does not have the jumps she is lost. A skater with the "whole package" could still place respectably even with jump mistakes.
The entire package, yes was michelle kwan. flexiblity, artistry, the jumps, the spins. another example are shen and zhao post 2002. Yagudin had the whole package in 2002, the jumps, the footwork and the ability to sell the choreography.
anyway, kimmie did not have, and does not have now the whole package. Her artistry has improved, her spins are a little better but and as we saw this season, if she does not have the jumps she is lost. A skater with the "whole package" could still place respectably even with jump mistakes.
May I say that Kimmie has had some great moments, Worlds being undeniably the best year and program for her.
I do think that once a skater begins having a rough time doing the jumps in programs, couple this with a growth spurt and self doubt combine for a period of frustration. Given the fact that she is still relatively young and adjusting to the many changes her body has thrown at her and her relatively soft spoken, tough competitor attitude, I do believe she has a chance to rebound.
Kimmie is a great role model. I hope she gets it all back together and proves that you aren't finished after puberty in this sport.
I do think that once a skater begins having a rough time doing the jumps in programs, couple this with a growth spurt and self doubt combine for a period of frustration. Given the fact that she is still relatively young and adjusting to the many changes her body has thrown at her and her relatively soft spoken, tough competitor attitude, I do believe she has a chance to rebound.
Kimmie is a great role model. I hope she gets it all back together and proves that you aren't finished after puberty in this sport.
I mean this with all due respect to Meissner but after reading this article, how tough of a competitor IS she, really? If she let self-doubt and pressure creep into the equation, maybe she's not so "tough" mentally after all, like we all thought. I hope she proves me wrong, though- it would be a great story if she somehow found her way back to the top.
I feel bad for Kimmie. She won Worlds on her first outing. What other skaters have done that? Where did they go from there? Kimmie has had a lot of pressure to deal with these past few years. It makes me worry for Mirai Nagasu too. Her first Senior Comp (Nationals) and she wins. Where will she go from here? So much pressure for such little, talented girls with potential. Instead of ripping the girls apart,maybe we should be focusing on the scoring system.
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From recent memory, Michelle Kwan (1998-2005 US Nationals)(2000 & 2001 Worlds), Alexei Yagudin (1998-2000 Worlds), Evgeny Plushenko (2003 & 2004 Worlds), Stephane Lambiel (2005 & 2006 Worlds), Shen & Zhao (2002 & 2003 Worlds), Totmianina & Marinin (2004 & 2005 Worlds), Navka & Kostomarov (2004 & 2005 Worlds), and Denkova & Staviski (2006 & 2007 Worlds). Consecutive titles are indeed rare to see in today's skating world.
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I don't think we will see repeat winners under COP like we did under 6.0.
For me, Michelle did not have what I refer to as the total package. She lacked variety in execution. Most of her programs were quite similarly laid out with the same technical content. What she did was executed beautifully. But, she was limited in spin positions (no real convincing traditional layback position) and spin speed, according to today's standards. Same with variety of spiral positions. She was limited in these aspects because she lacked the flexibility of today's skaters. She was also limited in the genre of music she performed. For instance, I have never seen Michelle perform a snappy, perky, jazzy program a la Nagasu's SP's. For her day, Katerina Witt had the total package, albeit jump requirements of that era were not those required of today's ladies.
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Well to each his/her own. I am sure total package is subjective. Michelle's body of work is second to none in her era and that puts her in the total package category for me. I would not even compare Nagasu SP to any of Michelle's. Your last sentence could be applied to Michelle as well. Michelle had the total package for her era. If other posters do not agree with me that is o.k. I respect your opinion but I am not going to go back and forth on whether Michelle had the total package, because I have no doubt that she did. She is afterall the Kween.
Back on topic-I wish Kimmie the best at Worlds and hope she can put two good programs out there.
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I am really rooting for Kimmie!! I think she is going to do well.
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While it's probably best to switch coaches between seasons rather than mid-season, overall I think Kimmie needed a new coach and she made the right move.
For me, Michelle did not have what I refer to as the total package.
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For me, Michelle did not have what I refer to as the total package.
if she didn't, who did? I have no answer to that....
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well then do tell us who you thought did....I'm curious for real.
I said in an earlier post that I do not believe in such a skater because I think it's a make-believe term to describe the hypothetical "perfect" skater...which of course we all know does not exist.
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