Technical Specialist question

[Ms.Anthrope]

The list is from a post on FSU. Can someone confirm if Pirjo Uimonen does indeed have a reputation for tendency to downgrade jumps?

 

[chuckm]

If she does, the ATS (Igor Bich-RUS) has to agree, or the matter is decided by the technical controller (Sissy Krick-GER).

I don't know much about Bich or Uimonen, but I have found over the years that Sissy Krick is very fair.

What is more interesting is that there is no Japanese or US judge on the panel. So if the US and/or Japanese skaters are dinged for UR or wrong edge, they probably are going to receive BIG -GOE from the panel of judges. That is not going to help the US ladies in their fight to save 3 spots for next season. :frown2:

 

[Ms.Anthrope]

What is more interesting is that there is no Japanese or US judge on the panel. So if the US and/or Japanese skaters are dinged for UR or wrong edge, they probably are going to receive BIG -GOE from the panel of judges. That is not going to help the US ladies in their fight to save 3 spots for next season. :frown2:

Why would not having a Japanese or US judge make a difference in -GOE for the US ladies? Does this mean that Mao also may get big -GOE on her flutz as well? I thought Mao's -GOE was pretty consistently -1 to -2, which seems to be pretty standard?

 

[chuckm]

Judges representing countries of close competitors (CAN for Rochette vs. Nakano, Ando or Meissner, KOR for Kim vs. Asada or Ando) may tend to give higher -GOE on flutzing/lipping and there won't be any lower -GOE from the USA or JPN judge to offset the big GOE. High and low scores get thrown out, and the rest of the scores are averaged. So the average GOE may tend to be lower than if there was a judge for the flutzer/lipper.

You'd have the same effect with PCS scores.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I know the judges would not like it but I believe the Technical Panel needs a complete overhaul, and that the 'underrotations' are shown to the public as well as the judges by slomo.

Joe

 

[Skye]

The list is from a post on FSU. Can someone confirm if Pirjo Uimonen does indeed have a reputation for tendency to downgrade jumps?

Ms. Pirjo Uimonen was technical specialist at Cup of Russia, and there were some downgrades that might have been overlooked by a more lenient panel, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that she has "a reputation for tendency to downgrade jumps". It isn't fair for those who complete their rotations on the ice to get the same credit as those who do a clean triple. And as chuckm has mentioned, the assistant technical specialist and/or technical controller have to agree with the technical specialist to make the final call.

 

[Ms.Anthrope]

Ms. Pirjo Uimonen was technical specialist at Cup of Russia, and there were some downgrades that might have been overlooked by a more lenient panel, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that she has "a reputation for tendency to downgrade jumps". It isn't fair for those who complete their rotations on the ice to get the same credit as those who do a clean triple. And as chuckm has mentioned, the assistant technical specialist and/or technical controller have to agree with the technical specialist to make the final call.

Thanks for the info. I have absolutely no idea who Pirjo Uimonen is, but the poster mentioned that she was "notorious" for downgrading jumps.

 

[mumboman]

Pirjo is a quite tough specialist, Igor is more than fair.