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yesterday said:
Where are those lists? (subs)

edit: ah you probably mean the isuresults page entry list, not any list that was copied here or from Skate Canada. Got confused as well 😅
I'm sure they won't really need a substitute but it's just a mindset helper I think, just a "I could be needed, so I'll do this instead of that" kind of thing.

I don't mind the three of them staying "extra" healthy, keeping themselves away from covid a bit more than they would probably already do etc. An interesting mix for sure.
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that's why i posted them... Skate Canada usually doesn't reveal the subs for events... we find out looking at the entries from 4CC and worlds... Unfortunately, they are not provided in order... so there is no way to guess who is the sub #1 ... we can assume they are in order of ranking at Nationals for Dance for instance... but for men???
For pairs it's easy = no subs.
For women = only gabby (probably has to do with who is available and has the minimums anyway)...

you can simply visit the 4CC entries thread as I stated in my original post about the subs list.... and click on the ISU link.
 
Hmm for men it may depend on who would have to be subbed I'd say. So that there's probably no real ranking but just a thought that skater Y would be the best sub for skater X.
 
yesterday said:
Hmm for men it may depend on who would have to be subbed I'd say. So that there's probably no real ranking but just a thought that skater Y would be the best sub for skater X.
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doesn't usually work like that. There is an order because subs need to be ready to travel at the last moment. For instance, last year, Gabby knew to be ready if Madeline had to pull out. Etc. My bet is that Corey has gotten the first sub ranking and has a suitcase ready ;) Also, just for fun... how would you decide who replaces whom??? What criteria??? I mean these are athletes, one of them cannot go.. then the next best available athlete can go. Not too sure how one would say something like " if athlete X cannot go, Sub W needs to go but if athletes Y cannot go it's sub Z ???
 
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4everchan said:
doesn't usually work like that. There is an order because subs need to be ready to travel at the last moment. For instance, last year, Gabby knew to be ready if Madeline had to pull out. Etc. My bet is that Corey has gotten the first sub ranking and has a suitcase ready ;) Also, just for fun... how would you decide who replaces whom??? What criteria??? I mean these are athletes, one of them cannot go.. then the next best available athlete can go. Not too sure how one would say something like " if athlete X cannot go, Sub W needs to go but if athletes Y cannot go it's sub Z ???
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Well, of course that's not usual. And it's just a mind experiment.
But it would require all three to be really ready. Not just first alternate that has a suit case, second that trains a bit and third does "nothing".

As the fed which is not Japan where it just "does not matter" as every combination can secure the spots they want, I'd calculate a bit and based on potential scores and eventual placements, would try to come up with this uncommon solution. Why not? It's year 1 of a new cycle and I don't really see a downside in this. Again, it's just some mind game, creative thinking ;)
 
yesterday said:
Well, of course that's not usual. And it's just a mind experiment.
But it would require all three to be really ready. Not just first alternate that has a suit case, second that trains a bit and third does "nothing".

As the fed which is not Japan where it just "does not matter" as every combination can secure the spots they want, I'd calculate a bit and based on potential scores and eventual placements, would try to come up with this uncommon solution. Why not? It's year 1 of a new cycle and I don't really see a downside in this. Again, it's just some mind game, creative thinking ;)
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OK. I don't see any example where it would work out that way for worlds spots... Skate Canada will send the best potential scoring guy, which will be named sub 1 when entries are due.

Also, I cannot imagine Canada getting 3 spots at this point. If both skaters make the LP cut, Canada needs a top 12.... At this point, those who will go to worlds will need to skate a bit better than at Nationals to earn that.
 
yesterday said:
And woosh, Trennt gets all the assignments :biggrin: (remember the stories after Nationals last year)
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What stories? The ones about Evelyn Walsh being upset about locker room comments? The ones where former Canadian skaters were upset for Walsh/ Michaud not making the Olympic team over James/ Radford, who tried to compete at Cdn Nats, but had to withdraw post their subpar sp, due to not having had enough training time after their COVID recovery? J/R were the overall best pairs team for Canada last season despite having to WD from Cdn Nats. That's why they were named to Olympics and Worlds. In all the subsequent brouhaha, I don't recall Trennt ever being quoted, but Evelyn and their coach said some things.

In any case, new season, new and promising senior teams. Trennt & Lia have an opportunity to do very well in pairs for Canada, thus they need the competitive experience. I was surprised by Trennt's mistakes in the fp. Lia seemed steadier. OTOH, it's not surprising for a new team to be rough around the edges (as they were in the sp), because it takes time to become comfortable together as new partners under competition pressure.

It's nice that SC is giving Laurin/ Ethier a post-Nationals competitive opportunity. L/E have a GP medal at Skate America. I think they skated well there in their fp which helped them take advantage of mistakes by teams ahead of them. But the following week at Skate Canada, they seemingly felt pressure and they didn't perform as well. At Canadian Nationals, L/E skated clean and exuberantly in their sp, but they tapered off in consistency in their fp. So, despite the errors made by Trennt in the fp, L/E didn't make a strong case for themselves to stay in third.

Honestly, at this point, it seems clear that Lia/Trennt have top level potential internationally. I'm not certain about L/E's overall potential for top level competitive chops at majors. L/E have much room for improvement, so we'll see going forward which Canadian teams fully emerge. It looks like there will be a battle between L/E & Proft/Nadeau to come out ahead and challenge the other teams who seem set to cement the top three spots in pairs for Canada over this quad.
 
L/E are just out of juniors... they have improved tremendously, perhaps the most of all pairs in Canada this year (of course, there are new pairs starting from scratch... so you know what i mean).

They have strong SBS jumps including a 3loop. Loucas is a good lifter. They spent time with Massot to improve their twist and it shows.

I don't think they are up there in presentation and refinement but at 17 and 22... they have a lot of room to grow.
 
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Cutting the ice said:
Glad Lia and Trennt are getting the opportunity to get more international competition exposure with 4C. I am surprised that Deanna and Max are going but perhaps Brooke and Ben will be able to step in if Deanna doesn’t feel recovered enough.
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I suppose Deanna/ Max feel they have a good opportunity to medal at 4CCs which they don't want to squander. If Deanna is feeling strong enough, their participation at 4CCs could be a boon going into Worlds. There have been reports that Alexa/ Brandon will not be attending 4CCs due to prior touring commitments. Thus, in their absence (if indeed K/F won't be there), Deanna/ Max have even more opportunity.
 
4everchan said:
I don't think they are up there in presentation and refinement but at 17 and 22... they have a lot of room to grow.
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For sure. I remember seeing L/E in Cdn junior comps. So it's nice to see that they've lasted. A lot of teams don't make it this far, while continuing to improve.

I agree that it's presentation and refinement they need to work on, plus consistency. They seem to have the desire along with competitive enthusiasm. As well, they will have to define themselves as a team in order to stand out, which again, every team must do.

The difference at this stage, is that Trennt is a superb pairs guy with a lot of experience, despite his bit of nerves. Competing more with Lia will help steady them both. So yep, it's good that SC is making an effort to cultivate a good, young team and keep them motivated. Sometimes U.S. fed could take pointers in this regard.

I think U.S. fed neglected the very talented Calalang/ Johnson, and may have taken for granted they would stay in the mix another four years. C/J had amazing skills aside from their sbs jumps. All the bad luck they encountered since the 2020 pandemic was not their fault. So something to keep them motivated, like a chance for Worlds once Ash Cain incurred the ankle injury at the Olympics, might have helped. I believe it was that ankle injury not being fully healed, and no rest day in-between programs at Worlds '22, which deep-sixed Cain/ LeDuc in the fp, where Ash suffered a head injury. U.S. fed ended up losing four top teams by the end of last season due to splits and injuries. C/J might have been retained had they been given some incentive to stick around.
 
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I like Trennt. I do worry about the lifts at times. I also like Lia as a pair skater. I am just not 100% convinced yet. When I look at Emma and Nic, though they have a longer road to the top, granted both were single skaters it does make sense, I see more potential long term... A bit like when Ruest -Wolfe teamed up... There was some magic coming from them... Let's hope Nic and Emma have a brighter future than RW and I am also hoping to be fully convinced about Trennt and Lia at 4CC and worlds.
 
I don't worry about Trennt's lifts. He lifted Evelyn fine, and she's taller than Lia. It's just a matter of adjusting to a new partner's rhythms and tendencies, especially under competition pressure. That's why they need the competitive experience they will gain at 4CCs and Worlds.

I'm reminded of how great and creative James/ Cipres were on lifts. When James/ Radford paired, they had to make a lot of adjustments on lifts. It wasn't easy, despite them both having years of championship experience with other partners.

Speaking of pairs experience, Lia is not brand new to pairs. I saw an interview with her last season post her breakout competitive singles success. During the interview, she spoke of having also competed in pairs. Obviously, she doesn't have senior pairs experience, but the coaches didn't have to start teaching her pairs elements for the first time. That would be a reason why she and Trennt came together fairly quickly and performed well in their Challenge debut. I was surprised Ted Barton kept saying during the Cdn pairs broadcast that Lia is new to pairs. Maybe not everyone realizes she has had some prior pairs experience on the lower levels.

So I think it's just a matter of Lia and Trennt adjusting to each other, especially under high pressure situations. Something similar happened for the very experienced Alexa/ Brandon of the U.S. at '21 Worlds. Regarding Proft/ Nadeau, they look really good together. They had bad luck with injuries keeping them from needed competition this season. Therefore, a slower start for them. Plus, they are both new to pairs and there's a learning curve.

Another former Cdn junior team, Dereinsky/ Eberl are showing a lot of improvement, similar to Laurin/ Ethier. Those teams have a slight advantage in being together longer than the higher profile, newly formed teams. It will be interesting to see how things pan out for all of these teams going forward. It's great to see these promising Cdn pairs teams. The double-edged sword all the larger feds face, is how to provide sufficient competitive opportunities to a bottleneck of talented teams and skaters in every discipline.
 
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I think all these young women have tremendous potential. I am not sure I would be able to rank them. What I like about Lia is her jumping ability which is by far superior to the others but it will not matter if Trennt messes up their big combo :) I am saying this tongue in cheek because I am fully aware that Trennt is a usually very steady jumper :)

In any case, here is the moment where I do some chauvinistic bragging... .:) Go Canadian pairs ! Show those who thought the sport was dead in Canada this summer what you have in store... 6 strong pairs competed at Nationals and let's not forget Matte and Ferland. They had great twist, lifts and throws and great presentation... All they needed to fix is their SBS jumps.... with Lori Ann's injury, I worry a bit about them since they were among my faves... but lets' just wish them a healthy recovery. So with them, that's 7 good teams.... Tilda and Gabriel are also exciting to watch. They look very good. There are 3-4 junior pairs who can develop as well.

Re the comment about Skate Canada giving them opportunities... I wouldn't push it that far... Our pairs do not get a lot of competitions. That's exactly why there is no substitutes listed for 4CC = nobody else has minimums... as nobody could be put on the list (assuming Brooke and Ben had other plans).

The difference though, is perhaps that since Canada has a smaller pool of elite pairs athletes, they may value a bit more the aspect of making a durable partnership. We don't see the musical chair here as much as we see in some other federations.
 
Lia gave an interview aired on the gala. Her previous pairs experience was limited to a one year deal, 5 years ago. She wanted to try it out but then decided after that one year to stick to singles skating. Then, Purkiss called her when Trennt needed a partner.
 
Forgive me, I am about to indulge in a bit of homerism.

March, 2019. Skate Sask was touring Team Sask skaters around the province, so I dragged my partner to the local arena to check out the show. Was delighted to see three young pairs, fresh off their competition at the 2019 Canada Winter Games in Red Deer. The fields for those Games hadn’t been particularly deep, only four pre-novice and four novice pairs, but I was proud that three of those eight pairs came from my own province. Derenisky/Eberl won silver in novice, Bear/Haubrich were fourth. Schmitz/Taylor won bronze in pre-novice. I like to think they were inspired by Olympians Paige and Rudi, maybe also by World medalist Mervin Tran, who started his skating career at Skate Regina.

Four years on, and five out those six skaters are still skating pairs at the National/international level, persevering through the disruption of the Covid years.

Schmitz/Taylor have been my up-and-down pair all season. You could tell they wanted to be on that podium at Canadians a little too much, and it cost them 3rd place. Haubrich, now skating out of Ontario with Summer Homick, just missed JW minimums last year by a hair, but they got some international experience under their belts in the process. Derenisky/Eberl surpassed the 160 mark at Canadians, so hopefully that means they (and also Proft/Nadeau) will finally get that international event that has eluded them this season.

Don’t know what the future holds for these three pairs, I hope they stick around. Meanwhile, the neighbour’s kids, Kemp and Elizarov, will be leading our juniors next year. I find it encouraging that we are seeing pairs entries from other than BC/AB/ON/QC.

Ted mentioned that there are a bunch of young pairs competing at Challenge this week, 7 novice and 19 pre-novice pairs. Of the pre-novice group, there are pairs from 8 out of 10 provinces! The novices will next skate at Novice Nationals. The pre-novice skaters will compete at the 2023 Canada Winter Games in PEI; hopefully this time, there will be more than four teams competing, representing most of our provinces.
 
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From this year's Pairs was the affair of 3 provinces, Ont, Qc and Sask ;)
My memory fails to remember the last time there was a team from BC. I am almost certain of the same for AB but I fear I may be forgetting someone ;)
 
And Manitoba, if you include juniors.

Novices at Challenge are from Quebec, Alberta and Nova Scotia. I am curious whether Gordeeva might be working with any young pairs in Edmonton?

Unrelated to pairs, but related to the Canada Winter Games, here is a small blast from the past, a young Toller Cranston at the first Games in 1967 (34 second mark):

https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/v...air-dance-at-the-first-news-footage/453509748
 
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