- Joined
- Dec 7, 2022
The CAS only decided on Kamila's punishment so far. ROC is appealing against the stripping of the gold.
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
- Thread starter GS Forum Staff
- Start date
The CAS only decided on Kamila's punishment so far. ROC is appealing against the stripping of the gold.
- Joined
- Jul 13, 2014
And how long would that take to rule? Can this just end?
- Joined
- Dec 5, 2015
What a terrible choice! They were already given the lightest punishment possible in terms of the team medal, all other calculation methods would have resulted in them not getting a medal at all. I can't imagine they actually think they have a case here and how disappointing for all the athletes involved including the Russian figure skaters.The official statement of the ROC:
The Russian Olympic Committee will definitely appeal to CAS against the ISU's decision to redistribute the final places of the figure skaters' team tournament at the 2022 Olympic Winter Games in Beijing. Our lawyers have already started preparing the necessary documents for filing an appeal.
We proceed from the fact that in accordance with the current, applicable ISU rules, the consequences of the decision on sanctions against an individual athlete, in this case Kamila Valieva, cannot be the basis for reviewing the results of a team tournament. Our legal position is based, among other things, on the existing precedents in CAS practice.
Олимпийский комитет России
❗️Официальное заявление ОКР. Олимпийский комитет России совершенно точно будет обжаловать в CAS решение ISU о перераспределении итоговых мест командного турнира фигуристов на Олимпийских зимних играх 2022 года в Пекине. Наши юристы уже начали подготовку необходимых документов для подачи...t.me
- Joined
- Aug 16, 2022
CAS decision has nothing to do with team event
- Joined
- Dec 7, 2022
The whole behaviour from the Russian side is nothing but trolling.
Did they actually go with the defense that a girl from the Eteri camp ate cake on the eve of nationals? From a camp where girls are scared to weigh one gram more? After Eteri already gave an interview with the completely unbelievable ice cream story.
How is anyone supposed to believe that?
And they are complaining about four years?
And now they want to appeal the bronze?
Go ahead. Just go ahead. Dig it deeper.
Just don't expect your other athletes to come back to international competitions. But it's not like you care, right?
Did they actually go with the defense that a girl from the Eteri camp ate cake on the eve of nationals? From a camp where girls are scared to weigh one gram more? After Eteri already gave an interview with the completely unbelievable ice cream story.
How is anyone supposed to believe that?
And they are complaining about four years?
And now they want to appeal the bronze?
Go ahead. Just go ahead. Dig it deeper.
Just don't expect your other athletes to come back to international competitions. But it's not like you care, right?
- Joined
- Nov 1, 2022
My conspiracy theory is that the ROC is only doing this so that the Canadian OC would look equally silly if they demand to redistribute the team event women's points, giving Canada the bronze.
- Joined
- Dec 7, 2022
I get that for the Americans this is an important topic, but honestly I would just let it go. Many athletes never get their deserved medals, and I think the whole team event was mostly invented because Russia wanted it. Off topic: In my eyes it should be done away with anyway, because figure skating is just not a team sport, you do not have a real team or even a relay.
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2019
I love team events, they are fun, and give us more FS. I mean, if I can name one thing Russia does right, it's inventing great competitions for FS.
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2019
I guess drinking glass theory didn't hold water. Now they want to have the cake and eat it too!
- Joined
- Dec 7, 2022
But then there should be some kind of interaction between the athletes in my opinion.
- Joined
- Mar 21, 2018
I agree with the distribution of the medals. For me, the worse case scenario would have been a complete disqualification of Russia and everyone moving up a spot.
It’s a team event, yes, but it should not be compared to a relay. In track and field the runners are running head-to-head against each other. So if the second leg is juiced up it throws off the entire race. Valieva, on the other hand, didn’t compete against the men or pairs team.
The Russian skaters deserve their bronze medals. Kondratiuk especially gave his soul - sacrificing doing well in the singles event - and even upset Zhou. Sadosky, on the other hand, does not deserve an Olympic medal. I would preferred a gold medal not given at all with US and Japan keeping their spots than see Canada get a bronze in this way.
It’s a team event, yes, but it should not be compared to a relay. In track and field the runners are running head-to-head against each other. So if the second leg is juiced up it throws off the entire race. Valieva, on the other hand, didn’t compete against the men or pairs team.
The Russian skaters deserve their bronze medals. Kondratiuk especially gave his soul - sacrificing doing well in the singles event - and even upset Zhou. Sadosky, on the other hand, does not deserve an Olympic medal. I would preferred a gold medal not given at all with US and Japan keeping their spots than see Canada get a bronze in this way.
I have no doubt the Russian federation, the IOC and the ISU have planned for all scenarios including filing appeals which is their right. If an appeal succeeds (as it did here for WADA), then that sets precedents for future cases. I also suspect all parties including Valieva were made aware of the decisions long before they were released to the public giving them time to plan accordingly.
- Joined
- Nov 13, 2020
There’s the grandpa water theory, the ice cream story, and the supposed dog theory. It’s ridiculous at this point.
- Joined
- Aug 16, 2022
Well, it seems you dont know much.
In 2004 Athens Olympics US team got gold medal from the 4x400-meter relay, and Russia took silver.
But then Crystal Cox (US team member) was stripped of her gold medal after admitting to doping.
And guess what? IOC allow US team keep gold medals from that event, and leave Russian team with just silver.
That by the way is why Russia right now appealing ISU decision about medals here, if US can keep gold after that, then we also can.
Surely her record will not stand--will it?
- Joined
- Jan 25, 2013
ISU Statement - Decision of CAS - Kamila Valieva (ROC) - International Skating Union
The ISU welcomes the decision of CAS and firmly maintains its position that the protection of clean athletes and the fight against doping are of the highest priority and will persist in the ongoing effort to uphold the integrity of fair competition and the well-being of athletes. The ISU...www.isu.org
USA gold
Japan silver
Russia bronze
That is ridiculous. The women should be bumped up one placement in the team SP and FS with Valieva’s disqualification. So Schizas/team Canada should have received 9 points + 9 points for now being 2nd in each segment. I’m assuming Skate Canada is appealing.
You can’t just acknowledge that the medals get bumped up a placement but the points stay the same.
This is basically throwing the Russian team a bone. In any team event when one member is caught doping, the entire team loses their medal and result - China should be 4th.
This would be history as it would be awarding a medal to a Olympic team that had a disqualified doped athlete on it. Shame on them if this is the final decision.
In every team sport, the whole team wins, even those team members who contribute less. In professional sports, like baseball and football, some team members who see little or no action still get Super Bowl and World Series rings.
- Joined
- Dec 7, 2022
I think one difference is that Cox wasn't used in the finals which was run by 4 other athletes.
It's just a completely different system here because points are distributed.
In general there have been different rulings on this, but often teams have been stripped of the medal.
The other point here I think is that there haven't been any medals given yet at all. In Cox' case the doping came out years after. If Russia now appeals the medals can still not be distributed and hence it is mostly a move to prolongue the whole thing so that other athletes still don't get their medals.
(That's why for a country that was already basically on probation for doping and is currently banned for other reasons that show they don't care about, among other things, the Olympic code, this is, accomponied by the rhethorics of "war" and "criminals" an interesting move.)
- Joined
- Aug 16, 2022
Similar threads
