Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Also, for those wondering why team was not DQ from event:
This is version of rules from 2015:

And this is CURRENT version, from 2021:

So in current rules there are nothing about automatic DQ of team

The team points in the segments should be adjusted accordingly - not just the placements. Schizas getting 9 points for now being bumped up to 2nd instead of 3rd in each segment should give Canada 55 points to ROC’s 54 points with their 20 points deducted.

 

[Crowdproud]

as predicted, skate canada is considering an appeal:

https://twitter.com/SkateCanada/status/1752317007297429774

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

That is a complete lie

Thanks for pointing out. I still think an entire team should be DQ’ed regardless of whether it was a hockey team or the Crystal Cox case.

Just a question for the IOC - how many doped athletes is a team allowed to have before their medal can be considered forfeit?

 

[lariko]

The team points in the segments should be adjusted accordingly - not just the placements. Schizas getting 9 points for now being bumped up to 2nd instead of 3rd in each segment should give Canada 55 points to ROC’s 54 points with their 20 points deducted.

Because the result of of the doping test was unknown and delayed, it is quite wise from the ISU to offer this diplomatic compromise. All other members of Russian team were tested, including all substitutes (that's why they announced immediate retesting of Scherbakova and Trusova during the Olympics, the same day the test result was made public). But given that Russians are doing the Russian thing, Team Canada stands a good chance of medalling in 2026, if they actually perform...which is dicey atm looking at the terribad Nationals in singles.

 

[lariko]

as predicted, skate canada is considering an appeal:

https://twitter.com/SkateCanada/status/1752317007297429774

As is their right.

 

[CelticRose22]

So with both Russia and Canada appealing; this is going to drag on longer. I cannot see it being resolved in time for any medal ceremony in Paris.

To me though the points have to be redistributed which would mean Canada in Bronze. And I don't think USA would partake in any medal ceremony involving Russia.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

I guess drinking glass theory didn't hold water. Now they want to have the cake and eat it too!

It seemed to me that you should understand the difference between the words “торт” and “пирожное”.

 

[Mathematician]

Surely her record will not stand--will it?

It was set before she popped. You think they just going to erase the entire memory of her from earth over this?

 

[Mathematician]

What an utterly insane situation.

 

[Mathematician]

You are incorrect in your grammar point, as hung is the most versatile past participle of the English verb hang. "Hanged" is used in some English variants to reference killing, but that's about it.

Lol, but the reference was hanging in regards to killing. Just look up if a person is hung or hanged.

 

[Pairluv]

That is ridiculous. The women should be bumped up one placement in the team SP and FS with Valieva’s disqualification. So Schizas/team Canada should have received 9 points + 9 points for now being 2nd in each segment. I’m assuming Skate Canada is appealing.

You can’t just acknowledge that the medals get bumped up a placement but the points stay the same.

This is basically throwing the Russian team a bone. In any team event when one member is caught doping, the entire team loses their medal and result - China should be 4th.

This would be history as it would be awarding a medal to a Olympic team that had a disqualified doped athlete on it. Shame on them if this is the final decision.

You do know if they gave Canada one point, they'd tie with Russia for bronze. Russia gets a bronze regardless.

 

[YuBluByMe]

The sheer audacity is almost admirable. ROC needs to quit the nonsense before their clownery backfires.

The official statement of the ROC:



We proceed from the fact that in accordance with the current, applicable ISU rules, the consequences of the decision on sanctions against an individual athlete, in this case Kamila Valieva, cannot be the basis for reviewing the results of a team tournament. Our legal position is based, among other things, on the existing precedents in CAS practice.

They already lost if part of their defense is the results of other cases without understanding the context. The context of their own case is in the insignificant detail that Valieva’s results are null and void beginning from December 2021.

 

[lariko]

To me though the points have to be redistributed which would mean Canada in Bronze. And I don't think USA would partake in any medal ceremony involving Russia.

If USA athletes refuse to stand on the podium next to the clean Russians who had already took a collective ban without individual fault, that's poor sportsmanship on their side. Sport is not a venue to deepen the conflict. And truly, the world can use stepping back from the conflict atm, even if it's just over a medal.

Tbh, the more I think of it, the more I like the way ISU called it. Canada didn't have a medal, it walks away without. The results and the efforts of the Russian clean athletes are acknowledged, but Valieva's infraction reduces the outcome. It also takes into account the test's unusual processing time. The only person uncompensated remains Tuktamysheva.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

You do know if they gave Canada one point, they'd tie with Russia for bronze. Russia gets a bronze regardless.

Canada would get two points.

The 8 8 they got for the womens SP + FS would be 9 9.

A team event isn’t just about how many points your skater gets it’s how high they place to prevent other countries from maximizing their points.

Every woman in both segments should not only move up a spot but their team should get another point added (per segment).

By allowing the points to remain as is, ROC still gets to leverage Valieva’s participation/coming in 1st because it denies points to every other country.

 

[beachmouse]

Well, it seems you dont know much.
In 2004 Athens Olympics US team got gold medal from the 4x400-meter relay, and Russia took silver.
But then Crystal Cox (US team member) was stripped of her gold medal after admitting to doping.
And guess what? IOC allow US team keep gold medals from that event, and leave Russian team with just silver.

That by the way is why Russia right now appealing ISU decision about medals here, if US can keep gold after that, then we also can.

The rules changed after 2004 because of Cox and subsequent Olympics have seen entire squads DQed because of a doping positive from ‘that dude who ran the heats’. IIRC, Usain Bolt lost one of his gold medals because of that.

 

[DancingCactus]

Just when you think the situation has finally been resolved, the ISU comes up with the most hare-brained decision regarding the team event. The points should be redestributed and Canada are right to appeal.

 

[CelticRose22]

Just when you think the situation has finally been resolved, the ISU comes up with the most hare-brained decision regarding the team event. The points should be redestributed and Canada are right to appeal.

Some might say that's on brand

 

[Seven Sisters]

I hope the ISU also decides that the medals should be awarded at Worlds in Montreal next month.

And as the Russian athletes take their place on the podium, every person in the audience stands up and waves a Canadian flag. Now THAT is audience participation!

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I hope the ISU also decides that the medals should be awarded at Worlds in Montreal next month.

And as the Russian athletes take their place on the podium, every person in the audience stands up and waves a Canadian flag. Now THAT is audience participation!

Bahaha or better yet as ROC is being awarded their medals have the whole arena start singing O Canada.

 

[Caliban]

The rules changed after 2004 because of Cox and subsequent Olympics have seen entire squads DQed because of a doping positive from ‘that dude who ran the heats’. IIRC, Usain Bolt lost one of his gold medals because of that.

In 2023 PanAm games Brazilian Edival Pontes lost his medal because of positive test, but his team (Taekwondo) keep their gold medal

article about this - https://www.uol.com.br/esporte/colu...o-doping-e-brasil-pode-perder-ouro-no-pan.htm

In 2020 Youth Olympic, in FIGURE SKATING competition of mixed MOC Ukrainian pair was DQ for doping, but their team keep bronze medal

So Russia have enough precedents to show to keep gold medals.