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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

4everchan said:
Most, if not all, of these skaters will have retired from the sport, with the glorious moment stolen from them.
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That's my point. The glorious moment was stolen from them. No ecstacy of victory, no rush of patriotic pride, no marching in the closing ceremonies to the admiration of cheering crowds with the medal of highest achievement around their necks. This was stolen from them and is gone forever. Their glory has been overshadowed and replaced by the wrangling of lawyers, dragging out for months and years.

Plus, there's this. If you skate better than everyone else and win the gold medal, your chest swells -- you are the best in the world! If you skate second best and are awarded the first place medal because the other guy cheated -- to me, the emotions are different. What happened happened. Time to move on.
 
Arwen17 said:
So that very much sounds like people going to Kamila and saying "HOW did this end up in your system?"
And then I assume they checked her supplements for contamination or she doesn't take any supplements at all? Because checking water or cake batter seems the least likely source unless she was able to verify all supplements etc she took were not contaminated.
I feel like I'm getting 10% of the story. Even Eteri doesn't seem to know much if she's asking who defended Kamila at the hearing and what they said as a defense.

We will never fully know since its Russia, but it would be extra ironic that after all of this hate towards Kamila it truly was an accidental contamination of some kind and they truly can't figure out where it came from, so they're stuck grasping at straws like cake batter to come up with an explanation.

I want to say I seriously doubt anyone would sabotage her, but then you have incidents like "yogurt girl". Some people are pretty crazy in the skating world, so it's not completely impossible. But I still think accidental rather than sabotage.

If Kamila testified that she has not been given any supplements or only certain ones and they've all been checked, it would make it hard to go after the team for doping her. Because she has to say they've been giving her stuff without telling her the contents.

Kamila is either lying and saying she's been given nothing mysterious by them. Or it is accidental and did somehow get into her food at some point.
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Or it could have been an Immaculate Ingestion
 
Mathman said:
That's my point. The glorious moment was stolen from them. No ecstacy of victory, no rush of patriotic pride, no marching in the closing ceremonies to the admiration of cheering crowds with the medal of highest achievement around their necks. This was stolen from them and is gone forever. Their glory has been overshadowed and replaced by the wrangling of lawyers, dragging out for months and years.

Plus, there's this. If you skate better than everyone else and win the gold medal, your chest swells -- you are the best in the world! If you skate second best and are awarded the first place medal because the other guy cheated -- to me, the emotions are different. What happened happened. Time to move on.
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An interview with some of the US skaters about receiving word that they are now gold medalists so we can hear exactly how they feel in their own words

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US Olympic figure skaters talk getting gold 2 years after Beijing

Members of the Team USA figure skating team Nathan Chen, Madison Chock, Evan Bates, Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier stop by TODAY to celebrate their first ...
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Mathman said:
That's my point. The glorious moment was stolen from them. No ecstacy of victory, no rush of patriotic pride, no marching in the closing ceremonies to the admiration of cheering crowds with the medal of highest achievement around their necks. This was stolen from them and is gone forever. Their glory has been overshadowed and replaced by the wrangling of lawyers, dragging out for months and years.

Plus, there's this. If you skate better than everyone else and win the gold medal, your chest swells -- you are the best in the world! If you skate second best and are awarded the first place medal because the other guy cheated -- to me, the emotions are different. What happened happened. Time to move on.
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I think you should watch footage from olympic medalists who got their medals at post olympics ceremonies. It truly seems to help alleviate the pain from what was stolen from them. Of course, it will never be the same as getting the recognition at the games, but there is enough documentation that shows that this compensatory ceremony is helpful.
 
labgoat said:
An interview with some of the US skaters about receiving word that they are now gold medalists so we can hear exactly how they feel in their own words

youtu.be

US Olympic figure skaters talk getting gold 2 years after Beijing

Members of the Team USA figure skating team Nathan Chen, Madison Chock, Evan Bates, Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier stop by TODAY to celebrate their first ...
youtu.be youtu.be
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Watched it. Nice. They all look so young and cute. And yeah it did impact them.
 
Mathman said:
That's my point. The glorious moment was stolen from them. No ecstacy of victory, no rush of patriotic pride, no marching in the closing ceremonies to the admiration of cheering crowds with the medal of highest achievement around their necks. This was stolen from them and is gone forever. Their glory has been overshadowed and replaced by the wrangling of lawyers, dragging out for months and years.

Plus, there's this. If you skate better than everyone else and win the gold medal, your chest swells -- you are the best in the world! If you skate second best and are awarded the first place medal because the other guy cheated -- to me, the emotions are different. What happened happened. Time to move on.
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In 2002, the revised medal ceremony for the pairs event was held while the Olympics was still in progress, but Jamie Sale was quoted as saying that it just didn't have the same emotional impact as an immediate ceremony.

(For anyone young enough to be fuzzy on the details, the silver medal position was left vacant and the Chinese pair were not elevated from bronze to silver. They -- Shen and Zhao -- refused to take part in the second ceremony.)
 
I imagine some kind of ceremony is on its way: Russian Pride or Russia is Best or We Stand With Kamila. I'm curious how much of the everyday Russian population truly believes the story that Kamila accidentally drank her grandpa's burp juice. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I truly want to know who buys that story. Because in many countries, doping is seen as a taboo, a cheaters way. Yet in Russia, I get the feeling that it isn't so taboo.
 
Mathman said:
That's my point. The glorious moment was stolen from them. No ecstacy of victory, no rush of patriotic pride, no marching in the closing ceremonies to the admiration of cheering crowds with the medal of highest achievement around their necks. This was stolen from them and is gone forever. Their glory has been overshadowed and replaced by the wrangling of lawyers, dragging out for months and years.

Plus, there's this. If you skate better than everyone else and win the gold medal, your chest swells -- you are the best in the world! If you skate second best and are awarded the first place medal because the other guy cheated -- to me, the emotions are different. What happened happened. Time to move on.
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Random fans may think it's time to move on.

The skaters in the US team event do not think so. Although only briefly alluded to in the interview posted above, they said they would like to see a ceremony that they can enjoy with their teammates.

If the skaters want a ceremony, no matter when and no matter how, and certainly here do not seem to be dismissive of the chest swelling that would accompany a later ceremony, then I say give it to them. :)

(Completely agree that the moment they should have had was stolen from them by an athlete who drugged and whoever was responsible for the drugs in that athlete's system. But the perfect (ceremony at the Olympics then) is not the enemy of the good (ceremony later) ).
 
As someone who has been on the podium in multiple competitions (not figure skating), I can tell you: medal ceremony IS a must.

It's the second best moment (the best is when you realize you've got the medal). It's moment when you're in the spotlight, when physically feeling the medal on your neck means that it all happened for real. And when the anthem starts playing, you feel that there are thousands, millions of people behind you and you proudly share your success with them. It's a unique moment. And stealing this moment from athletes is cruel.
 
I don't really understand this lust for gold because if the test result for Valieva comes back 30 hours earlier after WADA's lab sitting on the result for 6 weeks Russia would have replaced Valieva and won gold just as easily. They could have shipped in 7th or 8th place from the Russian championships and still won gold, such was their dominance.

If I were in USA's shoes, I would accept gold, be proud of it just as a reward for hard work, but couldn't really brag about it as something earned on merit.

I think what Canada is doing is quite embarrassing. Yes, Russia is demanding gold, but I think that is in reaction to Canada demanding bronze. Russia demanding gold hoping that the ISU won't have a moment of weakness and strip them of bronze.

It's time to let it go.

Really, the team event of figure skating is a silly event and in my eyes not worth anything. It's just a way of putting figure skating on TV screens in the first week of the Olympics.
 
First of all Canada need to end this nonsense and let USA and Japan enjoy the medals they earned. Stop trying to delay this process. These are the ISU rules and Canada simply need to abide by them. Russia is no better demanding gold, but I think this is only in reaction into Canada demanding bronze.

For the ISU to change the rules now would make them a bigger joke than they currently are in some respects.

I'm starting to think Kamila kind of spilled her guts to CAS. This was the first opportunity WADA would have had to ask Kamila questions, and I'm guessing they asked all the questions RUSADA weren't willing to. Of course, Kamila would have asked honestly, she's a nice, honest, sincere girl. I guess we see in the coming weeks what the consequences of this are. WADA seem way too confident talking about support staff drugging skaters for it to be just their politics. Seems like they actually have something on them. Of course, could just be trying to bluff RUSADA. Team Tutberitze seem kind of chatty all of a sudden so let's see.
 
Skating91 said:
I don't really understand this lust for gold because if the test result for Valieva comes back 30 hours earlier after WADA's lab sitting on the result for 6 weeks Russia would have replaced Valieva and won gold just as easily. They could have shipped in 7th or 8th place from the Russian championships and still won gold, such was their dominance.

If I were in USA's shoes, I would accept gold, be proud of it just as a reward for hard work, but couldn't really brag about it as something earned on merit.

I think what Canada is doing is quite embarrassing. Yes, Russia is demanding gold, but I think that is in reaction to Canada demanding bronze. Russia demanding gold hoping that the ISU won't have a moment of weakness and strip them of bronze.

It's time to let it go.

Really, the team event of figure skating is a silly event and in my eyes not worth anything. It's just a way of putting figure skating on TV screens in the first week of the Olympics.
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this is incredibly dismissive of the hard work, dedication, blood, sweat and tears all of these clean athletes put into earning these medals and having a ceremony. this was close to a lifetime's worth of work for all of them, and you think they should just "let it go"? what an absurd statement. for the record, Canada did not make a statement until after Russia had, once again, cried wolf and whined they think they still deserve gold. the ISU is basically still giving Russia 2 free points right now for a DQd skater, and that difference is worth a medal. there is not a single logical explanation why they did not re allocate points with new placements. I have not seen a single US skater "brag" about being awarded the gold...I cannot imagine how difficult the last two years have been for them and Japan and being robbed of the medal and ceremony they rightfully deserve that was selfishly taken from them by an athlete who cheated. they have every single right to celebrate and feel relieved this is finally over for them. to these athletes, this is not a "silly event".
 
I would ask the skaters in the US team and the Japanese team if they feel aggrieved by Canada's appeal.

My sense is that they would feel more aggrieved by Russia's lust for gold and its appeal, but that is just my sense.

What do you think they would say if we asked them? And what entity would they hold responsible for the delay in their medals? I would bet the non-existent mortgage it would not be the Canadian fed.
 
el henry said:
I would ask the skaters in the US team and the Japanese team if they feel aggrieved by Canada's appeal.

My sense is that they would feel more aggrieved by Russia's lust for gold and its appeal, but that is just my sense.

What do you think they would say if we asked them? And what entity would they hold responsible for the delay in their medals? I would bet the non-existent mortgage it would not be the Canadian fed.
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Slipchuk mentioned that many other Feds are in support of Skate Canada.
 
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