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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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I do not have much confidence thst appeals to the ISU will get anywhere. The ISU has already decided what they think is the best way to handle the points and medals. I don't see how either the Canadian or the Russian Olympic committe hope to convince the ISU to change its mind.
As far as I'm aware, correct - Valieva's case is done for, unless her lawyers find something procedurally wrong with how CAS rendered the decision. The handling of the team event results is completely separate
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I may be mistaken but if the appeal is made to the ISU, then there will be a hearing and a decision made. A further appeal could be made to the CAS if the decision doesn't seem to be based on solid arguments and the COC is not satisfied. Others can clarify this if I am wrong.
Except he’s a cheater, too.
Not to mention that Sweden had nothing to gain.
As I wrote a week ago about how the team event points were calculated and I was 100% correct. The ISU and their lawyers came to the same conclusion.
It's very rare in any sports like this with points being awarded for victories, etc to rearrange previous results when they are already in the books, especially years ago.
Let us say that a team is two years later disqualified from a season for some kind of violation committed. Do they simply disqualify the team and move everyone up one place, or do they go through the 30 matches from that season and hand the victory to each team they played, then add that to the points tally in the standings, etc, rearrange the standings, maybe someone loses first place through no fault of their own just redistribution of points. No, they just disqualify the offending team. No organisation wants to open that can of worms, at another event it could result in an innocent team LOSING their medal two years down the track because of the reallocation of points. Like I said, Germany would have a claim to at least 6 points from the free skate if they are going to redistribute points. It's quite complicated, and has the potential to cause more chaos. You wouldn't go to such lengths to create such a complicated precedent just to ensure Russia miss out on a medal.
Logically, Kamila was disqualified, 10 points removed from the team since that result should not have counted. You then can't give someone else 10 points if you already handed them out but removed them from another team's tally. I'm sure if Russia benefited from the resdistribution of points there would be the same amount of complaining. They'd say, you can't allocated 10 points twice!
If there were some kind of redistribution before applying the disqualification, logically Kamila's 1 point she would earn then should be counted towards the team event tally, in that case Russia get bronze.
After listening to 'rules are rules' when a 15 year old has her life ruined for something she probably still has no idea happened to her, there's many people having a tantrum (not talking about anyone here but the tabloid-style reporters and journalists in figure skating) about the ISU logically applying the regulations in consultation with highly intelligent legal minds. These are the rules and people need to accept them. Everyone knew the rules before taking part in the team event.
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The lab would be aware of Russia's scandals. They probably are more aware of what is going on in Russia than any lab in the world. WADA would pay attention to this lab more than any in the world.
It would be bizarre if they didn't. Somewhat negligent.
From the document from the ISU website describing the qualification for the Beijing Olympics, page 9-10 describe the qualification for the Team event. In particular on page 10:
So now it is up to the ISU to justify why they are not following Rule 353 when they said it applied. They knew the rules that they set out before the event began. Should be a fun court case for them.
No negligence was proven on the part of the lab and the results were accepted. They proved that they followed the proper procedures. It is on page 40 of the decision document.
We've seen skaters of a particular origin consistently lowballed for no valid reason, Russian skaters have not been able to participate for nearly two years, still people think there's some kind of ISU conspiracy to favour Russia.
They have paid the consequences. They selected a team in good faith and through no fault of their own had a result taken from them due to the tardiness of the Swedish lab (both WADA and the lab lied to us two years ago about it being the fault of RUSADA).
ISU have punished them and deprived them of the 20 points Kamila earned. It's a huge punishment to be stripped of gold like that because if the lab returned the result 30 hours earlier ROC just had to finish 4th in the short program to win. They could have taken someone who finished 10th and Russian Nationals and put them in and won gold.
It feels like to me that people want create a much more convoluted way of handling an extraordinary scenario like this where every other result will have to be changed, we would have the illogical scenario of 10 points being handed out twice, just to see Russia not come away with a medal.
Raducan had Nurofen. Salazar used testosterone which actually works and is what dopers go to if they have no fear of ever getting caught (like Sochi 2014). A woman can microdose on testosterone and literally develop male characteristics. It's still not clear whether a full dose of TMZ would help an athlete, let alone microdosing the athlete and trying to have it clear out before competition. Don't forget they can be asked to take an out of competition test at any time so to constantly microdose something with little benefit is suicidal. At least pump yourself with something that works if you're going to play Russian Roulette pardon the pun.
Yes the podium at Russian Nationals are tested automatically.
At some point in the future we will get a similar case, to an adult not a child, to an American not a Russian, and we'll see if WADA starts saying they will automatically appeal and seek four years before the investigation has even been completed.
And if they come up with an excuse such as my tap water was contaminated with a drug no-one uses in America and give less than four years, then I expect it to be a very easy ruling when it goes to CAS. And this will be adult, not a 15 year old child.
I expect nothing less than every athlete shown no mercy by CAS, no matter the amount, the effectiveness, the circumstances.
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Look, the Russians have no one but themselves to blame for this mess. If they hadn't worked so long, so hard and so earnestly to get a sky-high-in-neon-capital-letters reputation for cheating, they wouldn't have been in the situation of having to outsource samples elsewhere for even vaguely reliable testing. So it's more than a bit rich to complain about how the outsourcing is done.
I mean, all the major feds are grubby, it's sadly something we all have gotten used to (we shouldn't have had to, but there it is). But they then shouldn't grouse when the grubbiness sticks and stinks.
I mean, all the major feds are grubby, it's sadly something we all have gotten used to (we shouldn't have had to, but there it is). But they then shouldn't grouse when the grubbiness sticks and stinks.
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To get any benefit from TMZ you would have to take a full course and even then it's not clear what the advantages are, plus it would be suicidal as you can be called into an out of competition test at any time.
Just because they are both banned, I don't think you can really compare testosterone (where a woman would develop male characteristics microdosing it). There's no definitive science on TMZ for athletes on a full course, let alone microdosing. You would think someone would have done a study on this by now, because it seems Kamila and her mother, or Shvetsky and Eteri are the cleverest people in the world able to break records microdosing a cheap, common, bought over the counter heart drug from the 1970's. If not for that one test we would never have known about it,
They have followed the rule.
Kamila was disqualified by CAS. ISU responded by cancelling her Olympics results, deducting the 20 points she earned from the tally of her team.
THEN, as a result of the disqualification.
Both Japanese skaters were moved up to first place, and every other skater moved up one place (according to rule 353). You can go on wiki or the Olympics site this is reflected in the results.
What you want is the ISU to rearrange the points distribution of the women's programs, then apply a disqualification to the rearranged points distribution. In that case, her 1 point should be contribute to the overall tally rather than being removed.
It will be a really easy case for CAS.
It will be up to the ISU to prove that they followed the procedures properly, not however you feel that it should be explained to justify their handling. I expect that it will be thoroughly done. If anything to close any holes like this in the future instead of saying that they will clarify the rules before the next Olympics and having some form of precedence for further situations that will arise. They will not have federations wanting to participate in the team event if they do not do so.
They followed the procedures because it was shown that they had no obligation to retain the 7th to 9th tests that were apparently inconclusive.
As aliquots 7-9 are not the basis for the reported confirmation procedure result, they are not included in the Laboratory Documentation package. Aliquot 10 is the basis for the reported confirmation procedure result and therefore included in the Laboratory Documentation package.”
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