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2024-25 Canadian Figure Skating

https://skatecanada.ca/2024/05/top-mens-moments-from-the-2023-2024-season/

With Conrad's retirement and no mention of Gogolev in this posting, this may be Skate Canada's 2024-2025 senior mens team?
who's left you know ? I don't really trust Rakic to do much damage at the world level. Something about his skating is not hitting it for me.
Roman : it will be interesting to see what kind of season he can bring under more "normal" circumstances.
I think Wesley will be the one to beat.
Anthony : it all depends on getting a triple axel in time for September.
 
https://skatecanada.ca/2024/05/top-mens-moments-from-the-2023-2024-season/

With Conrad's retirement and no mention of Gogolev in this posting, this may be Skate Canada's 2024-2025 senior mens team?
They included Parker Heiderich, who competed novice this season, so not the whole senior team.

I'm not reading much into Gogo not being mentioned. They didn't include Lauriault/Le Gac for ice dance either and they won silver at Budapest. He should be able to get a GP spot and be included on the team if he's able to compete.

And they're trying to put a positive spin on the men, a hard enough task as it is. Gogo may have started with a medal, but his season ended with attempting quads when he could only land doubles. I don't want to see them try to spin his season into a positive light given how it ended. Medals aren't worth that.
 
Oh no!! I just read about Conrad.
When Worlds Champs was done, I was thinking about the next season and had the following as part of the National Team:

Wesley Chiu
Roman Sadovsky
Aleksa Rakic
Anthony Paradis
Gogo (maybe?)

I sensed Conrad would be off the National Team. So, to him, it was probably not worth being stuck in domestic competitions for next season. I did sense retirement after his awful 4CC competition. He will be missed.
 
Oh no!! I just read about Conrad.
When Worlds Champs was done, I was thinking about the next season and had the following as part of the National Team:

Wesley Chiu
Roman Sadovsky
Aleksa Rakic
Anthony Paradis
Gogo (maybe?)

I sensed Conrad would be off the National Team. So, to him, it was probably not worth being stuck in domestic competitions for next season. I did sense retirement after his awful 4CC competition. He will be missed.
I don't think it was a given that Conrad was going to be off the National team. It's usually the National podium and skaters with international assignments. I think they can easily put Anthony on the next gen team, and to be honest, this is where he belong as though he can squeeze on the podium at Nationals without quads nor a 3A, he is not ready for Senior GP circuit and should be sent to JGP.

So in that case, the National team would most likely have been Wesley, Aleksa,Conrad (instead of Anthony) and Roman (very likely to get GP, even if only SCI). They may have kept Gogo there because of his injury but do we even know if he is back to skating ? His injury was very serious and probably not a good one to have not healed fully.

The more I think about it, the more I think Conrad, being done with school made the choice of having a last goal : home worlds and then move on... I have a feeling that's why he was so nervous at Nationals and 4CC. He put too much pressure on himself knowing it was the end.

Some skaters can manage a last season stunt, when they feel they have achieved so much already and met their goals, but Conrad was after a few of these goals and didn't get them.

But really, I don't think Skate Canada would have been that harsh on him to leave him off the National team... especially considering how everyone skated at Worlds ... nobody really did that well in singles...
 
Well too bad, that's the end of the line for him.
Sorry, but aren't you forgetting that from next season onwards, there will be qualifying rounds again at Worlds? TES minimums will be lowered, regardless of if one jump combination is removed or not.

From 2012 Worlds (the last time there were qualification rounds) to 2013 Worlds, the TES minimums were raised by 12 points in the men's SP and the RD, 11 in the women's SP, and 7 in the pairs' SP. In the Free, the difference was even larger - 25 for the men, 21 for the women, 12 for the Ice Dancers and 11 for the pairs.

I'm not expecting them to drop the TES minimums this much (for scores achieved this season, if the technical changes end up being passed), but they're very likely not going to stay at the same level as without the qualifying round.
54 is going to be the maximum number of entries for the singles disciplines. For 47 possible entries this season, the TES minimums for the men would have had to be lowered to 29 in the SP and 56 in the FS - And Edrian would have qualified with those TES minimums.

Essentially, even though this is very far from the topic of this thread, the reintroduction of the qualifying rounds will likely mean that the overall level needed to qualify for Worlds will drop, even with the changes that are possibly going to be introduced.
 
I don't think it was a given that Conrad was going to be off the National team. It's usually the National podium and skaters with international assignments. I think they can easily put Anthony on the next gen team, and to be honest, this is where he belong as though he can squeeze on the podium at Nationals without quads nor a 3A, he is not ready for Senior GP circuit and should be sent to JGP.

So in that case, the National team would most likely have been Wesley, Aleksa,Conrad (instead of Anthony) and Roman (very likely to get GP, even if only SCI). They may have kept Gogo there because of his injury but do we even know if he is back to skating ? His injury was very serious and probably not a good one to have not healed fully.

The more I think about it, the more I think Conrad, being done with school made the choice of having a last goal : home worlds and then move on... I have a feeling that's why he was so nervous at Nationals and 4CC. He put too much pressure on himself knowing it was the end.

Some skaters can manage a last season stunt, when they feel they have achieved so much already and met their goals, but Conrad was after a few of these goals and didn't get them.

But really, I don't think Skate Canada would have been that harsh on him to leave him off the National team... especially considering how everyone skated at Worlds ... nobody really did that well in singles...
Qualification for the National Team currently is medal at Nationals and/or GP assignment. Anthony already said he'd be doing JGP, but he'll be on the team thanks to his bronze.

It is going to come down to the SCI host spots for the National Team for men. I like Conrad and Aleksa both, I was hoping that Skate Canada could do some maneuvering to get a non- host spot for Roman so that both of them could use the host spots. Hopefully the men can have better SBs next season and don't have to rely on host spots for 2025-26 to get on the GP. Someone is always going to miss out if Skate Canada has to keep relying on the host spots.
 
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It's a pity for him anyway, I noticed one of the crucial mistakes that Edrian or his family has made is similar what most Canadian skaters have made in the recent years as it made me wonder what prevent him from changing coaches to better himself yet he change coaches way too late.

I don't know if he ever going to survive quad training at his current age as the PHSU don't have much resources to give (I did some research about the previous presidents in the past yet most of them don't have experience as skaters but they came from different sports associations in the Philippines due to corruption which I am not amused with it)

Don't say never re: quad at an 'older' age (not that they are old by any means). If you search hard enough, you'll find a 'retired' Cdn skater who has gained a quad toe in the past 6 months.
 
I don't think it was a given that Conrad was going to be off the National team. It's usually the National podium and skaters with international assignments. I think they can easily put Anthony on the next gen team, and to be honest, this is where he belong as though he can squeeze on the podium at Nationals without quads nor a 3A, he is not ready for Senior GP circuit and should be sent to JGP.

So in that case, the National team would most likely have been Wesley, Aleksa,Conrad (instead of Anthony) and Roman (very likely to get GP, even if only SCI). They may have kept Gogo there because of his injury but do we even know if he is back to skating ? His injury was very serious and probably not a good one to have not healed fully.

The more I think about it, the more I think Conrad, being done with school made the choice of having a last goal : home worlds and then move on... I have a feeling that's why he was so nervous at Nationals and 4CC. He put too much pressure on himself knowing it was the end.

Some skaters can manage a last season stunt, when they feel they have achieved so much already and met their goals, but Conrad was after a few of these goals and didn't get them.

But really, I don't think Skate Canada would have been that harsh on him to leave him off the National team... especially considering how everyone skated at Worlds ... nobody really did that well in singles...
I sadly think that Conrad saw the writing on the wall, unfortunately.

I anticipate the GP spots will be as follows for our Senior Men:

Skate Canada: Wesley, Romsky, Aleksa

With Wesley getting another GP spot; Stephen Gogolev (if not retired) getting 1/2 international GP events.

SC would then give these 3/4 athletes, a challenger event.

If you are top 3/4 in Canada, you are in an okay situation. It is when you are stuck at 4–6, when you have to reevaluate your situation and I think it hurts when you are sent out to international events, only to be kept in domestic completions the following year.

This reminds me of Corey’s situation. Corey, after skating in GP events the previous season, got left with just the few domestic events. Unlike Conrad, he knew he had the Italian option though. If you are European, you have so many events to pick from and you have so many opportunities to best your personal bests throughout the season.

I will miss your son, Conrad and I hope you picking Edward as your new son, hasn’t tarnished his future performances 😜
 
And they're trying to put a positive spin on the men, a hard enough task as it is. Gogo may have started with a medal, but his season ended with attempting quads when he could only land doubles. I don't want to see them try to spin his season into a positive light given how it ended. Medals aren't worth that.
i went back to watch aci recently and on the warmup gogolev looked like he had an ankle injury like he kept wincing and bending down to hold his ankle in both the short and free warmups so if I were skate Canada I would not be mentioning any of the medals esp given the way his season ended
 
I sadly think that Conrad saw the writing on the wall, unfortunately.

I don't think we will ever know. I see it differently but unless Conrad opens up about ... All of this is personal bias.
I anticipate the GP spots will be as follows for our Senior Men:

Skate Canada: Wesley, Romsky, Aleksa
Easy to say at this point. There is nobody else. Not so easy if Conrad had not retired.
With Wesley getting another GP spot; Stephen Gogolev (if not retired) getting 1/2 international GP events.

SC would then give these 3/4 athletes, a challenger event.
Who? I don't expect many will get assignments.
If you are top 3/4 in Canada, you are in an okay situation. It is when you are stuck at 4–6, when you have to reevaluate your situation and I think it hurts when you are sent out to international events, only to be kept in domestic completions the following year.

This reminds me of Corey’s situation. Corey, after skating in GP events the previous season, got left with just the few domestic events. Unlike Conrad, he knew he had the Italian option though.

Conrad had a Polish option...
I will miss your son, Conrad and I hope you picking Edward as your new son, hasn’t tarnished his future performances 😜
Let's see first if Gogo resumes competing. I am sure my fan fest did more good than harm to Conrad.... At least, my appreciation was very genuine and enthusiastic. I have no regrets.
 
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I sadly think that Conrad saw the writing on the wall, unfortunately.

I anticipate the GP spots will be as follows for our Senior Men:

Skate Canada: Wesley, Romsky, Aleksa

With Wesley getting another GP spot; Stephen Gogolev (if not retired) getting 1/2 international GP events.

SC would then give these 3/4 athletes, a challenger event.

If you are top 3/4 in Canada, you are in an okay situation. It is when you are stuck at 4–6, when you have to reevaluate your situation and I think it hurts when you are sent out to international events, only to be kept in domestic completions the following year.

This reminds me of Corey’s situation. Corey, after skating in GP events the previous season, got left with just the few domestic events. Unlike Conrad, he knew he had the Italian option though. If you are European, you have so many events to pick from and you have so many opportunities to best your personal bests throughout the season.

I will miss your son, Conrad and I hope you picking Edward as your new son, hasn’t tarnished his future performances 😜
Wasn't Conrad also eligible to represent Poland? Obviously it would have meant time out before he could get clearance (are Canada still insisting on holding skaters who've been at 4CC/Worlds for 2 years?). He would have been Poland's top male skater, though, with plenty of opportunities if he could fund it.
 
i went back to watch aci recently and on the warmup gogolev looked like he had an ankle injury like he kept wincing and bending down to hold his ankle in both the short and free warmups so if I were skate Canada I would not be mentioning any of the medals esp given the way his season ended
I wouldn't be surprised if he had more injuries this season other than his back, like his ankle as you mentioned. He had his withdrawals from Glacier Falls and Skate Canada Challenge too. I think he'll intend to compete next season for now, but if he'll actually be able to compete, no idea.

The medal discourse with regards to him not being included in other places bothers me. Wesley won a medal at Cranberry Cup with a total score comparable to Stephen's at ACI, but that wasn't in the write-up either. David Li won a medal there too in addition to YOG Team Event bronze. If Cranberry Cup is listed on Skate Canada's international medal count and it counts for WS points, it counts for international medals. Stephen wasn't the only man to win an international medal this season.
 
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Robert Brodie interviewed Michael Slipchuk:

“We definitely want to get our skaters out competing more domestically; we have a lot of events in Canada. Elvis (Stojko) and I were talking at Worlds, and he said he was always asked ‘how do you become a good competitor,’ and he said ‘by competing.’ He’s one that can say that from experience,” said Slipchuk. “We’re definitely going to work on utilizing the opportunities to compete at home, just to get that mileage and get that confidence for the athletes, so that when they get out on that bigger stage, they just feel that they can put down those programs to the level they’re capable of. It’s always learning and it’s always looking at opportunities we have at home, and we’re going to keep doing it.”
 
I agree with 4ever! It is crap. How will domestic events help our skaters to up their skills when they are all skating at about the same level. A lot of our SR ladies don't do 3/3s so they need to get out to events where they have to do them or else they will not learn to be competitive international. Same with our men. Anthony came third in CAN with out a 3A or a Quad so how will domestic events help him. Chances are he will never do well internationally until he gets these jumps.
 
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