Ivan Desyatov suspended by SafeSport

[Amei]

Thought it was only MIDA under close scruting because of Chen/Pedersen. IAM was only about Davis/Smolkin (and the Holubtsova/Bielobrov dancers), or I missed something there ?

Sorensen trained at IAM.

 

[Casualsportsfan]

Sorensen trained at IAM.

Oh, I missed that detail.

I'll just hope I won't see other skeletons getting out of the closest, but not holding my breath.

 

[4everchan]

Sorensen trained at IAM.

the point i was making though is that some fans were very aggressive to throw IAM under the bus, when
1) IAM didn't even exist when Nikolaj committed his assault
2)Nikolaj was training in Connecticut when the assault happened.
3) IAM could only do one thing but wait for the investigation to be conducted.

yet here, we have two major training centers with very suspicious behaviour and nobody seems to be throwing them under the bus.. except for TSL : )

 

[4everchan]

Oh, I missed that detail.

I'll just hope I won't see other skeletons getting out of the closest, but not holding my breath.

Solene Mazingue trains at IAM and shared that she was a victim of sexual assault... Some fans even accused Nikolaj of doing this... or anyone at IAM... but she hasn't mentioned who it is at least for now and said to not draw any conclusions for now... it could be any skater really. But right away, some fans were again throwing IAM under the bus without knowing anything.

 

[gabriele]

Neset/Markelov's marriage had all the trimmings of a traditional wedding celebration - we saw the pics. Watching the interactions in latest interview, they seem to be the real deal to me. Not wanting to lump them into the same category as the others that have been concluded at the other end of the country in secrecy. Different kettle of fish.... I hope Neset/Markelov can perform to their best ability and ignore the negative publicity and attention coming their way.

 

[el henry]

I'm not certain what anyone else's marriage has to do with the suspension of Desyatov (and even there, not really sure how the marriage is related, except perhaps for the spousal immunity privilege for testimony at a trial).

It has been a while since I have read the Safe Sport guidelines, but I don't believe they invoke the automatic suspension for just any criminal investigation. If a skater were investigated for a Ponzi scheme or financial fraud, (or immigration violations) I don't believe Safe Sport would have grounds to suspend. The investigation should be related to the Safe Sport mandate.

 

[4everchan]

I'm not certain what anyone else's marriage has to do with the suspension of Desyatov (and even there, not really sure how the marriage is related, except perhaps for the spousal immunity privilege for testimony at a trial).

what I thought the posts suggested was that the F/D marriage was suspicious. So of course, people would wonder if others are.
I remember long time ago, people suggested that Lauriault/Le Gac's marriage was bogus... yet, they are still happily married and even changed feds in the meantime..

 

[el henry]

what I thought the posts suggested was that the F/D marriage was suspicious. So of course, people would wonder if others are.
I remember long time ago, people suggested that Lauriault/Le Gac's marriage was bogus... yet, they are still happily married and even changed feds in the meantime..

I understand what you are saying, but (not directed at you, you didn't say this, just in general) I'm not going to question marriages. Diana and Gleb have come out and said in interviews that they married earlier than they planned for Gleb's green card. I have a relative who married his non-citizen girlfriend straight out of college, earlier than either would have planned, for the same reason. That is not green card fraud. Fraud is "I've never seen you before and I am marrying you so you are married to a citizen". Well, exaggerated slightly for a point...

In any event, I would highly doubt that is the basis for a Safe Sport suspension.

 

[4everchan]

I understand what you are saying, but (not directed at you, you didn't say this, just in general) I'm not going to question marriages. Diana and Gleb have come out and said in interviews that they married earlier than they planned for Gleb's green card. I have a relative who married his non-citizen girlfriend straight out of college, earlier than either would have planned, for the same reason. That is not green card fraud. Fraud is "I've never seen you before and I am marrying you so you are married to a citizen". Well, exaggerated slightly for a point...

In any event, I would highly doubt that is the basis for a Safe Sport suspension.

i agree... but for now, people go off with what TSL is releasing.. and though I don't trust them ever, they seem to be good at finding dirt. I guess if you look for it, you may find it.. I don't tend to look for dirt when I just want to enjoy skating... oh well.. .going to bed. too many scandals.

 

[Magill]

The difference I can see is that as I understand there is an investigation going on, and yet he was suspended by SafeSport despite no final judgment has been reached yet, right?
This is a big difference to the Sorensen case where he was allowed to compete and represent the country while rape accusations against him were public.
I understand this is a police investigation in this case and it was "only" internal investigation by the sport integrity agency in Canada but the handling is completely different. We do not know the charges here, yet the athlete is temporarily suspended for the time of investigation. In the Canadian case accusations were known but there was no suspension until the internal investigation was over. What is the difference then?
Does SafeSport has some other rules than OSIC? Is it at the discretion of the federation?
Or is the police investigation over by now? Then it would need to be either discontinued or the case sent to court, I guess. Which has not been mentioned, I think. Still, even filing a case with the court is not the final judgement so the difference in handling remains huge.
Genuinely asking...

 

[FlossieH]

Isn't SafeSport a separate organisation to OSIC? If so, each will have its own policies and procedures to follow, and each operates within the legal framework for its country. There is no international framework or legislation.

 

[DancingCactus]

What is the police investigation even about?

 

[Magill]

Isn't SafeSport a separate organisation to OSIC? If so, each will have its own policies and procedures to follow, and each operates within the legal framework for its country. There is no international framework or legislation.

They are different organizations in different countries. That's right. This is exactly what I am asking pinpointing the difference in handling. Are the rules different?
In the Sorensen discussion there was this big point brought up that they could do nothing about it until there was a decision on the charges, not just a complaint. Here it seems the set of rules is different? Or are the rules simply applied differently?
This is exactly what I am asking.

 

[FlossieH]

They are different organizations in different countries. That's right. This is exactly what I am asking pinpointing the difference in handling. Are the rules different?
In the Sorensen discussion there was this big point brought up that they could do nothing about it until there was a decision on the charges, not just a complaint. Here it seems the set of rules is different? Or are the rules simply applied differently?
This is exactly what I am asking.

Each organisation will have set its own rules. There are no internationally agreed frameworks or rules which they all have to follow. Each country also has a different legal framework which needs to be followed.

 

[Magill]

Each organisation will have set its own rules. There are no internationally agreed frameworks or rules which they all have to follow. Each country also has a different legal framework which needs to be followed.

Yes, I know. I am asking about these sets of rules. Do you know them?

 

[Ziotic]

Would that cause police involvement?

Yes, it’s immigration fraud that can have fines or even jail time.

 

[4everchan]

Yes, I know. I am asking about these sets of rules. Do you know them?

but it's not just about the rules of every organization... it's also about the nature of the misconduct. In this case, it seems like the police has already investigated... which wasn't the case with Soerensen so OSIC had to run their own investigation, years after the incident.

I am not sure why people are trying to compare both cases and trying to imply that one organization was faster than the other or vice versa.

It's not even apples and oranges here, it's like apples and coconuts.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Aren´t we speaking about two different things here? The Safesport situation has nothing to do with the possible fraud marriage..... But it´s not going to help this case. The things that are coming up in the day of light...

Oh gosh, what a horrible mess. This is getting worse by the minute. And now I wish the situation only was USFS doing politics and replacing them with another team, that seems like a dream situation compared to how this all turned out

 

[4everchan]

Oh gosh, what a horrible mess. This is getting worse by the minute. And now I wish the situation only was USFS doing politics and replacing them with another team, that seems like a dream situation compared to how this all turned out

I am not sure I can agree with you... in the conspiracy theory, it really put a huge blame on the USFS and gave the ill feeling that skaters were completely at risk of being pulled out from their assignments for whatever the FED's reason... very sick stuff..

Here, the situation, which we do not know about really, is bad, but it's the skaters themselves who put it upon themselves. They have only themselves to blame for it. It's sad but I think it would be worse if young skaters felt that their FED can do whatever they want with their career...

 

[throw_triple_flip]

I am getting to the point where I really think that the ISU needs to set up a basic code of conduct to insure that everyone is safe in the sport because these announcements are becoming far too common for my comfort.

While I do think a Code of conduct may be a good idea (for other reasons), a grown man should know that you shouldn't assault someone. A Code of Conduct isn't going to stop him if he chooses to do so.