Ivan Desyatov suspended by SafeSport
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One coaching team having issues doesn't negate the possible issues of another.
I get why Soerenson was allowed to compete and keep training prior to his suspension, but women (athletes, coaches and other staff) at IAM were put at risk when a suspected sex offender was allowed to keep training there. The victim in his case criticised the behaviour of coaches. Ivan Desyatov getting into trouble and his coaches possibly showing terrible judgment doesn't change that.
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my point is not that at all... my point is that some fans are so eager to criticize some coaching staff and not others.
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Who is the victim if it's immigration fraud ? The US government ?
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Safe Sprorts suspended him, this in not an immigration fraud.
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Fair. It depends. Immigration Fraud is a felony. Maybe Safe Sports suspends athletes who commit a felony or get a criminal record. etc
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But if suspected immigration fraud were the offense being investigated here, presumably both Flores and Desyatov would have been suspended. That only Desyatov was suspended suggests to me that the suspension is unrelated.
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again, fair. there is too much unknown.
Even the term misconduct is rather vague. OSIC's term for Soerensen was "sexual misconduct", also vague, but less so
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I would say that the IAM team had plenty of fans excusing prior (possibly) concerning stories emerging from there.
I find it a bit strange but those who coach skaters with a more intense set of fans (such as Lajoie and Lagha) tend to gain those fans (and their devotion) as well.
That's changed, and I don't think that's especially unfair. No one should be above criticism if it's warranted.
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I don't think hardcore fans feel betrayed. I am one of them. I felt IAM did whatever they could legally do. It was not their call, nor Skate Canada's to suspend Nikolaj. All they could do is provide the training environment to their skaters until the investigation was concluded.
As soon as OSIC ruled, Skate Canada suspended Nikolaj.
I can only speak for myself as a hardcore IAM fan. Maybe some did feel betrayed but the ones I saw throwing them under the bus were more or less the same ones who were throwing IAM under the bus for taking Diana and Gleb or for creating always the same programs or having too many teams... So my perception is that the people who already disliked IAM found more fuel to throw onto their fire. Not the opposite.
Here, in this case, it seems like the investigation was made by the police, so the suspension is coming right away.
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Yeah, I don't know why it is so hard for men to behave like decent people. The bar is really low in the first place.
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Flores was 19 in August of 2022 at the time of marriage, so that's not a factor, unless they got hitched in Mississipi
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In Colorado (where Flores/Desyatov and Yi/Savalev got married), it's 18. With parental approval (and court approval), there is no minimum age.
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Did Chen/Pedersen get married?
Maybe I am the only person that cares but I am worried about Bella safety here. She was married very young even possibly under age. At this point who cares about marriage fraud that may have taken place here. Usually when someone caught in these cases it is not their first offense. The accused had his perfect victim a young woman who was either too young or too scared to speak out if he was hurting her. I am not saying that anything like that happened here but it would not shock me if it did. Good SafeSport did their job now it is time to make that everybody connected to him is safe most importantly his current partner/wife. I really think that police need to speak with her as soon as possible to ensure her safety. She does have not to say anything as his spouse at least at this point but she may be another one of his victims and needs to informed of her rights and responsibilities in regards to this case.
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I honestly don't know what to say about this situation.
In full transparency, I enjoyed F/D a lot, I thought they (particularly her) had a lot of potential, even though they were unpolished and messy. And yes, I was very happy for Bella when she found a new partner after the abrupt split from her last partner.
Now, however, I am feeling quite disturbed by what I am reading. Criminal investigations are no joke, and a swift suspension by Safe Sport after those became known is a clear sign of a very serious issue. If the rumours about the crime being investigated are true, my heart goes out to the victim.
As for the marriages coming out of WASA - I'd like to share the naivety and positivity of some posters that these are all love marriages, but I simply can't. Two of these marriages happened within a few months of the younger partner turning 18, and two of them within months of the teams forming, and all three of these teams include a male partner without citizenship. (And to be honest, two of them being kept very hush-hush is not making this look any better.)
WASA has a history of "importing" Eastern European men, with the female partner's family often being responsible for housing and funding them. This is concerning for so many reasons, and it puts both the young men and the young women involved in vulnerable and potentially dangerous situations - Not to even speak of the potential charges of immigration fraud that could come out of this.
(And by the way, people on other platforms have been calling out WASA, and even Isabella herself, in the last few days. A lot of people just have no idea about WASA and their history, because they have been low profile until recently, in contrast to IAM.)
In full transparency, I enjoyed F/D a lot, I thought they (particularly her) had a lot of potential, even though they were unpolished and messy. And yes, I was very happy for Bella when she found a new partner after the abrupt split from her last partner.
Now, however, I am feeling quite disturbed by what I am reading. Criminal investigations are no joke, and a swift suspension by Safe Sport after those became known is a clear sign of a very serious issue. If the rumours about the crime being investigated are true, my heart goes out to the victim.
As for the marriages coming out of WASA - I'd like to share the naivety and positivity of some posters that these are all love marriages, but I simply can't. Two of these marriages happened within a few months of the younger partner turning 18, and two of them within months of the teams forming, and all three of these teams include a male partner without citizenship. (And to be honest, two of them being kept very hush-hush is not making this look any better.)
WASA has a history of "importing" Eastern European men, with the female partner's family often being responsible for housing and funding them. This is concerning for so many reasons, and it puts both the young men and the young women involved in vulnerable and potentially dangerous situations - Not to even speak of the potential charges of immigration fraud that could come out of this.
(And by the way, people on other platforms have been calling out WASA, and even Isabella herself, in the last few days. A lot of people just have no idea about WASA and their history, because they have been low profile until recently, in contrast to IAM.)
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