How do i convince my mom to let me get new skates?

[sonitaskates!]

Hi, I'd like to start off by saying I'm a begineer figure skater who's pretty tall for my age and also pretty heavy. I bought jackson artistes three months ago because I thought they would work for a while, they still are very stiff and have a lot of support left but I'm progressing faster then I thought and now I need to learn waltz jump, salchow, and toeloop. I told my mom that I can't jump in jackson artistes without injuring myself but she said that because I'm not doing competitions yet I'm not worth spending the money for new skates on. My dad said it's okay to buy new skates because he knows it's dangerous and im using my own money,but my mom thinks I'm just lying to get new skates. Please help

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Hi, I'd like to start off by saying I'm a begineer figure skater who's pretty tall for my age and also pretty heavy. I bought jackson artistes three months ago because I thought they would work for a while, they still are very stiff and have a lot of support left but I'm progressing faster then I thought and now I need to learn waltz jump, salchow, and toeloop. I told my mom that I can't jump in jackson artistes without injuring myself but she said that because I'm not doing competitions yet I'm not worth spending the money for new skates on. My dad said it's okay to buy new skates because he knows it's dangerous and im using my own money,but my mom thinks I'm just lying to get new skates. Please help

What is your height/weight? Don't jump in Artistes.

 

[tstop4me]

The OP had this previous thread. You were in the process of responding to her there: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/beginner-boot-and-blade-help.99979/

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

According to the thread that you previously posted and thank you @tstop4me for reminding me of it, you have African style foot and are near Calgary, you are 5ft 5in tall and 150lbs. If that is the case you need to look at Risport RF3 Pro, you could also try Risport Royal Pro. Jackson would be the other brand I would suggest either the Premier Fusion 2800 or Synergy Elite.

You will need to pair whatever boots you get with a traditional, intermediate blade: Either MK Pro or JW Coronation Ace.

You also need a proper fitter (not a hockey shop), and I will send you a PM with a few decent figure skating fitters in your area.

I also want to say I am sorry that I never got back to answering you awhile ago on your previous thread, life is busy.

Good luck!

 

[sonitaskates!]

According to the thread that you previously posted and thank you @tstop4me for reminding me of it, you have African style foot and are near Calgary, you are 5ft 5in tall and 150lbs. If that is the case you need to look at Risport RF3 Pro, you could also try Risport Royal Pro. Jackson would be the other brand I would suggest either the Premier Fusion 2800 or Synergy Elite.

You will need to pair whatever boots you get with a traditional, intermediate blade: Either MK Pro or JW Coronation Ace.

You also need a proper fitter (not a hockey shop), and I will send you a PM with a few decent figure skating fitters in your area.

I also want to say I am sorry that I never got back to answering you awhile ago on your previous thread, life is busy.

Good luck!

thank you so much!! also dont apologize for not replying i get it lol!! thank you again, ill look into a shop and skates

 

[tstop4me]

Information from your previous thread:

recently ( 3 months ago) i bought Jackson artistes, im satisfied with them and they have a lot of support left but i’m moving up levels quickly, im going to a figure skating camp for beginners where i’ll learn salchow and toe loop, im on waltz right now and i don’t feel the best support in my ankle. I also think my rocker may have gotten shaved off by a sharpener.. i really want a skate with a bigger / better toepick and a easier rocker,

i also have normal arch and I didn’t get them fitted i tried them on at a sportchek and then bought online, i got the same size as my shoe size because my feet are constantly growing and my mom said to but that was a mistake because my feet slide around now

Recommendations from @Ic3Rabbit:

If that is the case you need to look at Risport RF3 Pro, you could also try Risport Royal Pro. Jackson would be the other brand I would suggest either the Premier Fusion 2800 or Synergy Elite.

You will need to pair whatever boots you get with a traditional, intermediate blade: Either MK Pro or JW Coronation Ace.

Outstanding issue:

I bought jackson artistes three months ago because I thought they would work for a while, they still are very stiff and have a lot of support left but I'm progressing faster then I thought and now I need to learn waltz jump, salchow, and toeloop. I told my mom that I can't jump in jackson artistes without injuring myself but she said that because I'm not doing competitions yet I'm not worth spending the money for new skates on. My dad said it's okay to buy new skates because he knows it's dangerous and im using my own money,but my mom thinks I'm just lying to get new skates.

<<Emphasis added>> Based on your previous information and based on the recommendations from @Ic3Rabbit, you can now present convincing, logical reasons to your mother. (Make Mr. Spock proud of you! )

* The level of equipment that you need to skate safely is determined by your physical characteristics and the level of skills you will be working on. It doesn't matter whether you are skating to compete or skating for fun. Minimizing the potential for injury stemming from inadequate equipment is the paramount factor in this context.

* Your current skates (Jackson Artiste) have a rated stiffness of 25. Among the boots recommended above, the Jackson Synergy Elite has a stiffness of 60; and the Jackson Premiere has a stiffness of 65. [There is no uniform industry standard for stiffness ratings among different manufacturers. But safe to assume that the recommended Risport models have approximately the same level of stiffness; otherwise Ic3 would not have recommended them.] Depending on how you tally up the Jackson lineup, your Artiste is approximately 4 models below the recommended models. That's a substantial difference.

* Your current Artiste is too large, and is not even heat moldable. And your blades are messed up. Further reasons to ditch them sooner, rather than later.

* Caveat 1: Your Artiste is a low-level kit (boots with pre-mounted blades). The recommended equipment is supplied as separate boots and blades. There is a substantial (and that's an understatement!) price difference between the Artiste and the recommended equipment. So check out the prices to determine whether you can pay for them yourself, or whether you'll need to ask your mom and dad for extra money (that may change the discussion).

* Caveat 2: You said you are signed up for a skating camp in which you will be learning jumps. Proceed with the camp only if you can upgrade your equipment. If you can't, check on cancellation policies and refunds. The price of the camp, and whether you can get a refund or not, is another factor in the discussion.

 

[sonitaskates!]

Information from your previous thread:





Recommendations from @Ic3Rabbit:



Outstanding issue:



<<Emphasis added>> Based on your previous information and based on the recommendations from @Ic3Rabbit, you can now present convincing, logical reasons to your mother. (Make Mr. Spock proud of you! )

* The level of equipment that you need to skate safely is determined by your physical characteristics and the level of skills you will be working on. It doesn't matter whether you are skating to compete or skating for fun. Minimizing the potential for injury stemming from inadequate equipment is the paramount factor in this context.

* Your current skates (Jackson Artiste) have a rated stiffness of 25. Among the boots recommended above, the Jackson Synergy Elite has a stiffness of 60; and the Jackson Premiere has a stiffness of 65. [There is no uniform industry standard for stiffness ratings among different manufacturers. But safe to assume that the recommended Risport models have approximately the same level of stiffness; otherwise Ic3 would not have recommended them.] Depending on how you tally up the Jackson lineup, your Artiste is approximately 4 models below the recommended models. That's a substantial difference.

* Your current Artiste is too large, and is not even heat moldable. And your blades are messed up. Further reasons to ditch them sooner, rather than later.

* Caveat 1: Your Artiste is a low-level kit (boots with pre-mounted blades). The recommended equipment is supplied as separate boots and blades. There is a substantial (and that's an understatement!) price difference between the Artiste and the recommended equipment. So check out the prices to determine whether you can pay for them yourself, or whether you'll need to ask your mom and dad for extra money (that may change the discussion).

* Caveat 2: You said you are signed up for a skating camp in which you will be learning jumps. Proceed with the camp only if you can upgrade your equipment. If you can't, check on cancellation policies and refunds. The price of the camp, and whether you can get a refund or not, is another factor in the discussion.

thank you sooo much!! this really helped me, I made a sideshow yesterday and decided to impress my Asian parents by using a math equation to calculate the amount of force going on one of my legs per jump in pounds, I'll definitely use your points too, thank you so so much again for taking the time to reply!

 

[tstop4me]

thank you sooo much!! this really helped me, I made a sideshow yesterday and decided to impress my Asian parents by using a math equation to calculate the amount of force going on one of my legs per jump in pounds, I'll definitely use your points too, thank you so so much again for taking the time to reply!

Impressive!

 

[Query]

thank you sooo much!! this really helped me, I made a sideshow yesterday and decided to impress my Asian parents by using a math equation to calculate the amount of force going on one of my legs per jump in pounds

I'm curious how you did this. You can find a variety of answers to such questions on the Internet. Even if you land with correct alignment, It obviously depends a lot on the compression elasticity (more or less Young's Modulus, though tissue failure modes go beyond simple elasticity models) and thickness of the layers of the sole of the boot, and of the layers of tissue at the bottom and side of your foot, as well as your weight, the height and horizontal speed of your jump. AFAICT, it is potentially higher on landing than takeoff, assuming you sometimes under-rotate your jump, because then a significant component of the force is against the side of the boot.

(In practice, there have been semi-empirical studies, in which the actual acceleration of body parts is measured, and the force is estimated from that, or in which force on external objects is measured.)

I'm not clear exactly how much the stiffness of the boot comes into that particular calculation. Obviously stiffness matters - since if you land in incorrect alignment, you get a net lateral force component, which might create an ankle strain, sprain or other injury. But the optimal stiffness for your body also depends on complex factors like your muscle use & development. If much too stiff, and the boot doesn't absorb any of the lateral force. Insufficiently stiff, and the boot absorbs much of it up to your point - but your muscles or ligaments may be forced beyond their safe range of motion. It's probably much too complicated a problem for you to model accurately with the data available to you - one hopes that your coach(es) can advise you & your parents on how stiff a boot you need, based on their experience & training. (Plus, you may be able to tell yourself whether it hurts to jump, and whether you get bruised or otherwise injured.)

But if your exposition convinces your parents, that's what matters to you.

Furthermore, creating this exposition is probably great experience. They may not teach much of this in school, or for that matter at college or university, but in the real world, one of the most important things you do in many lines of work is to convince potential sponsors that they should fund the work you need to do, and/or provide the resources needed to get it done. And if you want to publish your work, you need to convince the potential publisher and/or reviewer that your work is worthy of publication, and you may need to convince your sponsor(s) that they benefit from its publication.

The question of whether people on this board should help you convince your parents to spend money is an entirely different matter. The people on this board are biased - they have chosen to spend money on figure skating. And the coaches want students.

 

[tstop4me]

I'm curious how you did this. ....

As Lucy would say, "Good Grief! Charlie Brown!" Can't you just give the kid a "You go, girl!" for initiative, and leave it at that?

 

[sonitaskates!]

I'm curious how you did this. You can find a variety of answers to such questions on the Internet. Even if you land with correct alignment, It obviously depends a lot on the compression elasticity (more or less Young's Modulus, though tissue failure modes go beyond simple elasticity models) and thickness of the layers of the sole of the boot, and of the layers of tissue at the bottom and side of your foot, as well as your weight, the height and horizontal speed of your jump. AFAICT, it is potentially higher on landing than takeoff, assuming you sometimes under-rotate your jump, because then a significant component of the force is against the side of the boot.

(In practice, there have been semi-empirical studies, in which the actual acceleration of body parts is measured, and the force is estimated from that, or in which force on external objects is measured.)

I'm not clear exactly how much the stiffness of the boot comes into that particular calculation. Obviously stiffness matters - since if you land in incorrect alignment, you get a net lateral force component, which might create an ankle strain, sprain or other injury. But the optimal stiffness for your body also depends on complex factors like your muscle use & development. If much too stiff, and the boot doesn't absorb any of the lateral force. Insufficiently stiff, and the boot absorbs much of it up to your point - but your muscles or ligaments may be forced beyond their safe range of motion. It's probably much too complicated a problem for you to model accurately with the data available to you - one hopes that your coach(es) can advise you & your parents on how stiff a boot you need, based on their experience & training. (Plus, you may be able to tell yourself whether it hurts to jump, and whether you get bruised or otherwise injured.)

But if your exposition convinces your parents, that's what matters to you.

Furthermore, creating this exposition is probably great experience. They may not teach much of this in school, or for that matter at college or university, but in the real world, one of the most important things you do in many lines of work is to convince potential sponsors that they should fund the work you need to do, and/or provide the resources needed to get it done. And if you want to publish your work, you need to convince the potential publisher and/or reviewer that your work is worthy of publication, and you may need to convince your sponsor(s) that they benefit from its publication.

The question of whether people on this board should help you convince your parents to spend money is an entirely different matter. The people on this board are biased - they have chosen to spend money on figure skating. And the coaches want students.

ah..thank you so much for your reply but im sorry, im not in that high of a grade level yet and i have no idea what you’re saying for some of it, i just used a simple formula which probably isn’t all that accurate but i just want to give my parents a reference for how much weight is really going on one leg, if i were to publish it to websites or anything i would do more research but for now it’s just me and my parents and my healthy ankles that i want to keep healthy these people on the board are not just trying to get me to spend money, how would that benefit them anyways?it just means longer lineups and waitlists for the skates they want i’m grateful for everyone here for giving me their time of day and replying, and i’m grateful for you too, thank you!

 

[tstop4me]

ah..thank you so much for your reply but im sorry, im not in that high of a grade level yet and i have no idea what you’re saying for some of it, i just used a simple formula which probably isn’t all that accurate but i just want to give my parents a reference for how much weight is really going on one leg, if i were to publish it to websites or anything i would do more research but for now it’s just me and my parents and my healthy ankles that i want to keep healthy these people on the board are not just trying to get me to spend money, how would that benefit them anyways?it just means longer lineups and waitlists for the skates they want i’m grateful for everyone here for giving me their time of day and replying, and i’m grateful for you too, thank you!

Masterful response. Surprisingly mature. Skillfully crafted, well balanced. Delightful, playful highlights of zing and tang delivering an effective counterpunch without excessive acidity. Tempered by subtle, nuanced, complex notes of diplomacy leading to a smooth and endearing finish. A definite 6.0 on the old figure skating scoring system. Even Mr. Spock would be stirred to give a .

You're very welcome. Hope all works out well. Please keep us posted on the outcome. Have a Happy New Year 2025! (Safely, with the right equipment, of course.)

 

[sonitaskates!]

Masterful response. Surprisingly mature. Skillfully crafted, well balanced. Delightful, playful highlights of zing and tang delivering an effective counterpunch without excessive acidity. Tempered by subtle, nuanced, complex notes of diplomacy leading to a smooth and endearing finish. A definite 6.0 on the old figure skating scoring system. Even Mr. Spock would be stirred to give a .

You're very welcome. Hope all works out well. Please keep us posted on the outcome. Have a Happy New Year 2025! (Safely, with the right equipment, of course.)

Thank you judge! ( i finally figured out how to use these emojis, soo cute!) i’ll definitely keep you updated, happy new year!

 

[sk8dreamzzzz]

Are you parents hesitant to buy new boots because of the cost? If that's so, maybe you can come up with ways to help. Here are some ideas:

1. Offer to sell your old skates (find out what they're going for in your area by checking where other people sell skates).
2. Offer to sell something else you have that you don't necessarily need.
3. Find small jobs you can do either for your parents or other family members. Things like babysitting, cleaning, washing the car or other kinds of chores that save them money.

I've tried to suggest things that work for pre-teens and teens. If you're 16 or older, you would have more options for ways to contribute to the cost of new skates. Hope you get your dream skates!

 

[sonitaskates!]

Masterful response. Surprisingly mature. Skillfully crafted, well balanced. Delightful, playful highlights of zing and tang delivering an effective counterpunch without excessive acidity. Tempered by subtle, nuanced, complex notes of diplomacy leading to a smooth and endearing finish. A definite 6.0 on the old figure skating scoring system. Even Mr. Spock would be stirred to give a .

You're very welcome. Hope all works out well. Please keep us posted on the outcome. Have a Happy New Year 2025! (Safely, with the right equipment, of

Update: went to the skate shop!! she's an experienced coach and she told me that the freestyle Jackson's would be good for me, she measured my feet and apparently one of my feet is a 7.5 and the other is a 7! this was so embarrassing my parents laughed at me the way home, she recommended jackson freestyles, it that okay for my age and weight? it is a boot blade combo but she said my feet are wide and best for Jacksons.. I just don't want them to break down quick or my mom will yell at me for getting new skates again

 

[tstop4me]

Update: went to the skate shop!! she's an experienced coach and she told me that the freestyle Jackson's would be good for me, she measured my feet and apparently one of my feet is a 7.5 and the other is a 7! this was so embarrassing my parents laughed at me the way home, she recommended jackson freestyles, it that okay for my age and weight? it is a boot blade combo but she said my feet are wide and best for Jacksons.. I just don't want them to break down quick or my mom will yell at me for getting new skates again

Just to clarify: Have you already purchased them?

 

[sonitaskates!]

Just to clarify: Have you already purchased them?

nope! said i was going to come back to the store but i was just going to purchase online since it’s 200$ cheaper (sorry to the kind lady!) they didn’t have my size in width anyways so she said she’ll have to order it online anyways

 

[sonitaskates!]

Are you parents hesitant to buy new boots because of the cost? If that's so, maybe you can come up with ways to help. Here are some ideas:

1. Offer to sell your old skates (find out what they're going for in your area by checking where other people sell skates).
2. Offer to sell something else you have that you don't necessarily need.
3. Find small jobs you can do either for your parents or other family members. Things like babysitting, cleaning, washing the car or other kinds of chores that save them money.

I've tried to suggest things that work for pre-teens and teens. If you're 16 or older, you would have more options for ways to contribute to the cost of new skates. Hope you get your dream skates!

Thank you so much! actually saving money and getting money isn’t the problem, im really good with saving and keeping my money, i have enough money for skates it just that my parents don’t think it’s worth it (even though it’s my own money)

 

[tstop4me]

nope! said i was going to come back to the store but i was just going to purchase online since it’s 200$ cheaper (sorry to the kind lady!) they didn’t have my size in width anyways so she said she’ll have to order it online anyways

Oh, good. Don't make any purchase until @Ic3Rabbit weighs in.

 

[sonitaskates!]

Oh, good. Don't make any purchase until @Ic3Rabbit weighs in.

okay! also thank you by the way to ic3rabbit, you’ve helped me and other beginners out so much