Looks flat to me. Would it be so bad to have a flat edge on flip?
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Looks flat to me. Would it be so bad to have a flat edge on flip?
Mirai's combination was meant to be on the lutz, but her lutz landing was off-balance so she couldn't add the toe loop; she then added the 2T to the flip. She had no footwork going into the lutz, so she had to take a deduction for that.
Still good on Mirai for making her combo elsewhere. It drives me nuts when skaters aren't smart enough to do that.
I don't think Yuna is overscored, considering the fact that she used to get +2.00 GOE's on 3F + 3T. Her spiral probably got more points because she was actually doing something (acting that is) while doing the spiral, instead just letting the foot out and it was more pronouncing than Miki's spiral. Straightline footwork was just amazing! It was better than Rachel and was with the music and good transition, without really slowing down.
For those of you who thinks that yuna lipped on this competition, it is very hard to tell by her leg, but I do agree with the preceding post saying; her leg was making an outside position, while the blade of her skate is neutral-to-inside edge.
But other than that, for Miki, I felt sorry because she was so much better than the other 4 skaters and yet only getting a decimal point better than Yukari. I personally believe that Rachel did better than Mirai, but Mirai was smart about adding the double toe to make the combination, which probably made judges give her some points?
It's hard to tell when you look at the edge, and not the foot/ankle. BUT, the fact of the matter is that it has to be called in real time. Not by slow motion.
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But so many mess up altogether when they try to compensate for earlier mistakes. Then they end up either doing an extra illegal element or just lose focus altogether.
For most, I think it is better just to skate the program that you prepared and let the points fall as they may.
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It looks flat to me as well but she goes into flat literally right at the take off that I think it is still a flip. Someone on FSU said flip doesn't have or require that deep inside edge. YuNa has so much speed going into flip that I don't think you can ever call it otherwise.
As much as I love Yuna and her new program, she should have received an ! for that flip. Pause the video at 0:07 and you can see she's sorta on an outside edge. However I do LOVE this program and I have a feeling if she skates in cleanly it will definitely break the 70 mark.
Yuna's flip is perfect.
You don't believe Arakawa, Miki, Paul Wylie, Susie Wynne, Tracy Wilson and even Dick Button...
Actually it's very frustrating to see a young talented skater unfairly dishonored by malicious deceit.
Please remember we are here to love and acknowledge young athletes, not to dishonor skaters based on fabrication.
I didn't write that I thought Yu-Na's flip was a lip for malicious deceit. When I saw her flip on tv it looked like a lip & when I saw the replay it looked like a lip. Just because I thought she lipped this time doesn't mean I fabricated something or made my judgement based on fabrications. She's the most accurate female jumper out right now and I wrote what I wrote because that's how I felt. I know there are haters out there. Still, I think it's real silly that you can claim what my intentions are for my own observations. Yu-Na along with Mao & Sasha are amongst my favorite skaters. And my belief doesn't negate or assert Dick's or any other commentators' views. Do I think their judgements are absolute? Not really, but I do trust them. I just made an observation- plain & simple.
On another note, I agree w/Mathman that skaters should focus on skating the programs they've prepared, unless they actually made a backup plan in preparation for an omitted combo, or jump, etc. I think it may hurt them more if they add things along the way (Oda, Yu-Na, Takahashi, & Weir got dinged for throwing things in their program after a missed element/jump in the past).
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Mira-I thought she's made some improvements. Obviously judges think otherwise.
Rachael-She would've broken 60marks had she gone for 3lutz(flip)-3toe, which is more secure jump for her. I still believe she will make the podium. Everything about her skating was musical and smooth.
Mirai- this is a great program for her and definitely a crowd-pleaser. She's obviously injured and not skating anywhere near her potential.
Kimmie- she's improved so much, and yet few iffy things remained the same, especially her jumps. But her presentation is so much better. Now that she's exploring new genre of music, could she get nicer costume?
Yukari- her triples are getting tinier. She is the most vulnerable to dg call among all the top skaters. She could slip down the rank on any given day depending how strict the caller is. Nice spins and all, but her best short program is still Memoir of Geisha.
Miki- Her presentation is very good. She's paying attention to details, and the jumps are as secure as two years ago. Her spins have never been better. She seems to lack energy though. I believe it has to do with losing 10lb over a short period of time. She, like Rachael, should go for 3lz-3t. 3lz-3r has never been consistent combo for her and very prone to dg call.
Yu-Na- her team is finally thinking clearly. This is her style, and this is her look. That said, I'm glad she explored different style last year b/c this performance showed how mature she's become since the Tango. Her spiral, which used to be her weakness, is so secure with positions held long. She has arguably the best change of edge. As a fan, I was very impressed with the program. For me, watching her performance was an experience comparable to watching Sasha's Malaguena for the first time.
This is not really relevant, but I hope people who have written down Caroline after Nationsl and JW reassess her. It will become more clear after Skate Canada, but she is the best US lady on international stage.
Mira-I thought she's made some improvements. Obviously judges think otherwise.
Rachael-She would've broken 60marks had she gone for 3lutz(flip)-3toe, which is more secure jump for her. I still believe she will make the podium. Everything about her skating was musical and smooth.
Mirai- this is a great program for her and definitely a crowd-pleaser. She's obviously injured and not skating anywhere near her potential.
Kimmie- she's improved so much, and yet few iffy things remained the same, especially her jumps. But her presentation is so much better. Now that she's exploring new genre of music, could she get nicer costume?
Yukari- her triples are getting tinier. She is the most vulnerable to dg call among all the top skaters. She could slip down the rank on any given day depending how strict the caller is. Nice spins and all, but her best short program is still Memoir of Geisha.
Miki- Her presentation is very good. She's paying attention to details, and the jumps are as secure as two years ago. Her spins have never been better. She seems to lack energy though. I believe it has to do with losing 10lb over a short period of time. She, like Rachael, should go for 3lz-3t. 3lz-3r has never been consistent combo for her and very prone to dg call.
Yu-Na- her team is finally thinking clearly. This is her style, and this is her look. That said, I'm glad she explored different style last year b/c this performance showed how mature she's become since the Tango. Her spiral, which used to be her weakness, is so secure with positions held long. She has arguably the best change of edge. As a fan, I was very impressed with the program. For me, watching her performance was an experience comparable to watching Sasha's Malaguena for the first time.
This is not really relevant, but I hope people who have written down Caroline after Nationsl and JW reassess her. It will become more clear after Skate Canada, but she is the best US lady on international stage.
I love her to death and I hope you're right, but with strict tech panels I think she's at as much risk of being downgraded as anyone else (except for Yu-na!). Plus, it doesn't matter how much the international judges love her as long as U.S. judges aren't keen on her (and so far they really haven't been).
It is interesting that both last year and this year, SA is setting the standard for strict tech calling. Remember how we were all a little shell shocked (and the skaters too) when at SA everyone was downgraded and had edge calls? It was a little bitter looser at SC, and then steadily got easier as the season progressed, until at the end everyone was getting SB, PB?
I mean, I know everyone improves over the course of the season, but really, this inconsistency in tech calling is really unfair. It sucks to be skate early on the GP circuit. 
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I thought the scoring at Worlds was actually quite strict compared to previous years.
It is interesting that both last year and this year, SA is setting the standard for strict tech calling. Remember how we were all a little shell shocked (and the skaters too) when at SA everyone was downgraded and had edge calls? It was a little bitter looser at SC, and then steadily got easier as the season progressed, until at the end everyone was getting SB, PB?
I don't think they are being as strict as they were last year. I believe if Rachael went for 3f-3t instead of 3f-3r, she would've received full mark for that, and that goes the same for Mirai and Caroline if she was here. 3loop is just a tricky jump to put at the end of a combo. Mao has the best 3r combo, and even she gets frequently downgraded at any given event. That said, I'm kind of nervous that Caroline is going for a solo loop instead of lutz in her short program. She may flutz, but she fully rotates. OTOH, her loop has been downgraded on several occasions...
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This was a crazy event.
I LOVED Yu-Na's SP, but that score was crazy. What would it have been it she landed the 2 axel nicely? Love the chreo, beautiful dress, she looked amazing, that 3/3 was out of this world. That look she gives at the end says it all. reminded me of Michelle's The Feeling Begins. Mao should be scared.
What happened with Rachel? She was ROBBED! I could not tell if the 3/3 was cheated, but there were no mistakes, she had very nice chreography and I was impressed. Must be an idiotic thing like her spirals were a level 1 because of the time or someting.
Miki looked good, nice 3/3, but a fall on the footwork? At least she laughed at herself and didn't seem that upset.
Nakano's program was pretty, but the music is rather repetitive. I would have used another selection as well as Gadfly.
Kimmie. I feel sorry for her. I don't see much change in her jumping technique since March. She still lips, and then can't land it, the lutz was slow so she could not do the 3 toe, and even the 2 toe looked cheated. Spirals and spins are the same. I thought she looked more mature, finally found out about eye makeup. The dress looked like a practice dress. nice program though. it suited her.
I LOVED Yu-Na's SP, but that score was crazy. What would it have been it she landed the 2 axel nicely? Love the chreo, beautiful dress, she looked amazing, that 3/3 was out of this world. That look she gives at the end says it all. reminded me of Michelle's The Feeling Begins. Mao should be scared.
What happened with Rachel? She was ROBBED! I could not tell if the 3/3 was cheated, but there were no mistakes, she had very nice chreography and I was impressed. Must be an idiotic thing like her spirals were a level 1 because of the time or someting.
Miki looked good, nice 3/3, but a fall on the footwork? At least she laughed at herself and didn't seem that upset.
Nakano's program was pretty, but the music is rather repetitive. I would have used another selection as well as Gadfly.
Kimmie. I feel sorry for her. I don't see much change in her jumping technique since March. She still lips, and then can't land it, the lutz was slow so she could not do the 3 toe, and even the 2 toe looked cheated. Spirals and spins are the same. I thought she looked more mature, finally found out about eye makeup. The dress looked like a practice dress. nice program though. it suited her.
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I can't believe neither of Kimmie's triples were downgraded. They were both majorly apparent. The judges ignored her obvious cheats and yet dinged Flatt and Ando for 3 loops that anyone with a shred of decency would have allowed. This is the story of Meissner's life, credit for cheated triples!
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Orser Interview
Here's Brian Orser's interview right after the competition last night, and I totally agree with what he said about Yu-Na's new SP. This program is just a winning program. Period.
http://sports.media.daum.net/nms/general/news/common/view.do?cate=23793&newsid=846050&cp=sbsi
I translated the questions that were in Korean and added some notes.
Q: (I think) Yu-Na performed a superb program. Can you please tell me how her performance struck you?
Brian Orser(B): Once again, I'm very proud of Yu-Na. She's a good competitor and she's very fierce. And I think, with this program... it's a winning program.
Q: (I think) Her costume is perfectly in tune with the music.
B: The music, the costume, the choreography, the makeup, the hair, the attitude... it's all perfect for her. And I think she really loves to perform with this. (note: Yu-Na admitted in her interview that she really loves her new SP & LP (the music, the costume, everything about her programs) and accordingly feels happier, more comfortable to skate with those programs.)
Q: (I think) She could’ve set a world record for the SP if it had not been for that touch-down on 2A.
B: I know! I know! That was great because I saw the other scores and… I think some other girls skated well so… you know, I just quickly did the math with the touch-down on the 2A. But this is the first time out and the next one will be better. It looks just continued to be better, but this is just a good vehicle for her.
Q: Did you expect her to earn this high a score?
B: I guess she got her credit for the, obviously for the 3-3. She got plus GOE’s on almost everything except for the 2A. And spins and spiral sequences with level 4 (note: Yu-Na got level 3 for spins), and foot work was level 3…. But she got pluses on everything and that’s where you get the points. It’s the quality.
Q: Any comment on her LP tomorrow?
B: Oh, my gosh! I think the toughest part of the competition is doing the SP because it’s very stressful. Now she’s done a great short, the weight just goes off of her shoulders, now she’ll perform…. I’m anticipating for her to perform very well tomorrow, and just getting started with the season was very tense and very stressful for her. So… she was, she was good.
Here's Brian Orser's interview right after the competition last night, and I totally agree with what he said about Yu-Na's new SP. This program is just a winning program. Period.
http://sports.media.daum.net/nms/general/news/common/view.do?cate=23793&newsid=846050&cp=sbsi
I translated the questions that were in Korean and added some notes.
Q: (I think) Yu-Na performed a superb program. Can you please tell me how her performance struck you?
Brian Orser(B): Once again, I'm very proud of Yu-Na. She's a good competitor and she's very fierce. And I think, with this program... it's a winning program.
Q: (I think) Her costume is perfectly in tune with the music.
B: The music, the costume, the choreography, the makeup, the hair, the attitude... it's all perfect for her. And I think she really loves to perform with this. (note: Yu-Na admitted in her interview that she really loves her new SP & LP (the music, the costume, everything about her programs) and accordingly feels happier, more comfortable to skate with those programs.)
Q: (I think) She could’ve set a world record for the SP if it had not been for that touch-down on 2A.
B: I know! I know! That was great because I saw the other scores and… I think some other girls skated well so… you know, I just quickly did the math with the touch-down on the 2A. But this is the first time out and the next one will be better. It looks just continued to be better, but this is just a good vehicle for her.
Q: Did you expect her to earn this high a score?
B: I guess she got her credit for the, obviously for the 3-3. She got plus GOE’s on almost everything except for the 2A. And spins and spiral sequences with level 4 (note: Yu-Na got level 3 for spins), and foot work was level 3…. But she got pluses on everything and that’s where you get the points. It’s the quality.
Q: Any comment on her LP tomorrow?
B: Oh, my gosh! I think the toughest part of the competition is doing the SP because it’s very stressful. Now she’s done a great short, the weight just goes off of her shoulders, now she’ll perform…. I’m anticipating for her to perform very well tomorrow, and just getting started with the season was very tense and very stressful for her. So… she was, she was good.
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What triples??? The only one she achieved was the 3lutz + 2toe, then she did a 3flip, in which she fell on & a double axel.
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