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Ms.Anthrope said:
I went and looked at Mao's SP & LP from last year. I don't know what else to call Mao's entrance into her spiral sequence except it is same as what you call "forward running skating". I see no difference in the spiral sequence entrances among YuNa, Kostner, Miki & Mao.
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In her last season's LP, she starts her spirals right after a jump. She runs only a couple of strokes. She had more strokes going into spirals in her SP.

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puhijun said:
well, I believe Miki, as much as I like her as a skater and a person, she didn't perform artistically in the competition, which is weird since she was pretty good at the SP. I think that was the one killed the Miki, even though she did the nicer jumps than Yukari; what judges are trying to say by low PCS for Miki is possibly that the figure skating is not a jump competition, but rather an intricate sport with artistry.
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I agree that her presentation was good at SP but not in LP. Her LP presentation was similar to the one at 2007 Worlds LP. Despite that, her PCS at that event was decent enough to make her a world champ, which made me wonder why it is so low at this time.
 
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Bennett said:
....Fisrt, I thought it odd that the ordering of the music is reversed. Here Giselle goes crazy first and then has a happy moment of the first love....
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this in her choice of pieces and order. :agree:

Herm (sk8ngnutt)
 
Bennett said:
In her last season's LP, she starts her spirals right after a jump. She runs only a couple of strokes. She had more strokes going into spirals in her SP.
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I guess that's my point. Mao's spiral sequence is very slow regardless of how she starts it. Wish I could put YuNa's edge and control with Mao's stretch.
 
Bennett said:
Fisrt, I thought it odd that the ordering of the music is reversed. Here Giselle goes crazy first and then has a happy moment of the first love.
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Wow, Bennett, your power of observation is really starting to impress me. I must say that this musical juxtaposition passed me right by. And also, after you commented on Miki's SP being a convincing rendition of a geisha yearning for freedom (you did say something along those lines, didn't you?), I paid more attention during the NBC replay, and was happily surprised to feel your interpretation really coming through Miki's skating to Chairman's Waltz.

I'm starting to feel that I'm really not paying enough attention to the musical/artistic side of skating, and far too much to the technical and competitive side. :biggrin:
 
feraina said:
Wow, Bennett, your power of observation is really starting to impress me. I must say that this musical juxtaposition passed me right by. And also, after you commented on Miki's SP being a convincing rendition of a geisha yearning for freedom (you did say something along those lines, didn't you?), I paid more attention during the NBC replay, and was happily surprised to feel your interpretation really coming through Miki's skating to Chairman's Waltz.

I'm starting to feel that I'm really not paying enough attention to the musical/artistic side of skating, and far too much to the technical and competitive side. :biggrin:
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The latter comment is someone else's, which I found very interesting, too!
 
Two Giselles

I couldn't believe Miki and Yukari even had similar costumes.

Yukari outperformed Miki today but Miki ought to overtake her in the future.

Miki's program was lacking in convincing details. (The few efforts at showing madness or fear were silly.) She didn't show a lyrical style. Since her Sp was so good, I can only think she was focusing on the elements in the FP and hasn't developed the artistic side yet. What I liked very much was her program's choice of cuts from the ballet. It flowed much better than Yukari's which was very choppy. I suspect it will get much better. When Giselle gets so crazy she starts doing quads, Miki will win the battle of the Giselles.

Yukari had a lot of verve today. Good for her. But I don't really like seeing skaters hop around on clunky skate toes. I was just thankful that neither one of them picked at imaginary daisies.
 
Ms.Anthrope said:
Wish I could put YuNa's edge and control with Mao's stretch.
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That would get my infinite bravo!

Quite frankly, I was happy to see Yuna's spiral without the little bump in the middle (EDGE CHANGE:unsure:). Maybe I should dream bigger next time.
 
ChrisH said:
Those who still deny that Yu-Na lips should look at the replay at the 7:07 mark. The technical panel blew that call rather badly.

Yu-Na doesn't look as thin to me as she did last year. Not only does she look healthier, it may indicate that she is wisely aiming to peak for Worlds rather than the GPF.
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Is there any club out there whose members determined not to believe Yu-Na's perfect flip? :no:

A current elite skater, a lot of legendary skaters and nitpicking judges all acknowledge Yuna's perfect flip except some of the guys in the forum. Don't you think it's weird?
 
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Mirai didn't deserve to be downgraded on the first Flip, the second Lutz, or the 3Loop.

There needs to be a rule which defines where jumps start and where they land. Mirai doesn't pre-rotate her jumps quite as much as other skaters do. Her landings come up a bit shorter as a result, but the total amount of rotation in the air is the same as plenty of other triples which didn't get downgraded. Those jumps I named weren't more than a 1/4 short in total rotation.

Of course, being 1/4 short isn't ideal. That's just the amount you're allowed to get away with. But, Mirai gets good height and distance on her jumps. All she needs to do is keep the feet a little tighter in the air.

I probably agree with Miki's downgrade on the 3Loop in combination for the LP. That one appeared to skid on the landing more than the one in the SP (but what good height she had!).
 
Spun Silver said:
I couldn't believe Miki and Yukari even had similar costumes.
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Among a variation of Giselle's cosutmes, I love the most common blue & white ones the best. Tonight, I found Miki's costume very fresh and youthful. That reminded me of her in a very fresh white one when she skated to Debussy's Claire de Lune many years ago. Yukari's costume was soft and mellow and gave her the peasant girl's look. The design around her chest was very girlish.

Regarding Miki's program, I feel that Miki's passion and sensitivity could be great for this character. But I doubt if Morosov could be the best choreographer for a story like Giselle. Although I heartily admire many of his masterpiece programs, I do not see anything sensitive or delicate in his works. I feel that he would be better at soliciting Miki's womanly charms than her naive sensitivity. I think that Lori Nichol's understated beauty or David Wilson's delicate sensitivity may work better for this kind of theme.

Spun Silver said:
I was just thankful that neither one of them picked at imaginary daisies.
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:rofl:
 
szidon said:
Is there any club out there whose members determined not to believe Yu-Na's perfect flip? :no:

A current elite skater, a lot of legendary skaters and nitpicking judges all acknowledge Yuna's perfect flip except some of the guys in the forum. Don't you think it's weird?
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She lips, and it's getting on my last nerves that the judges completely ignore this because she in Yu-Na. As for the "legendary skaters" who supposedly believe she is doing a flip, they aren't looking at slow motion frame-by-frame replays like the die hard skating fans are doing both on their TV's and on the internet.

Yu-Na was obviously going to win by a lot regardless! Why can't the judges apply their rules and requirements to EVERY skater instead of showing preferential treatment for the "Chosen One" who doesn't even need the help! If you want to argue that she is taking off of a flat edge, okay (it's really not flat), but she is absolutely not doing a flip, and I am tired of this crap where they completely ignore it while everyone else is getting "!".

If the judges weren't so blatantly biased toward both Yu-Na Kim and Mao Asada, I would probably enjoy them about 10 times more. They are both phenomenal skaters who would both be enjoying their fair share of success even without the consistent help from the judges whenever they do something wrong! It is just so frustrating. Time and time again it keeps happening. They can fall and get near personal bests, if not personal bests... They can miss required elements all together and not get hammered for it... They can take off on wrong edges and the judges don't care (at least not in Yu-Na's case)... They can skate absolutely miserable short programs and ALWAYS be held up enough so that they are close enough to the top to win the competition. They can do no wrong! They literally need to fall 4, maybe even 5 or 6 times, in a competition before the judges would dare to leave them off the podium.

Sorry for my rant.
 
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gold12345 said:
She lips, and it's getting on my last nerves that the judges completely ignore this because she in Yu-Na. As for the "legendary skaters" who supposedly believe she is doing a flip, they aren't looking at slow motion frame-by-frame replays like the die hard skating fans are doing both on their TV's and on the internet.

Yu-Na was obviously going to win by a lot regardless! Why can't the judges apply their rules and requirements to EVERY skater instead of showing preferential treatment for the "Chosen One" who doesn't even need the help! If you want to argue that she is taking off of a flat edge, okay (it's really not flat), but she is absolutely not doing a flip, and I am tired of this crap where they completely ignore it while everyone else is getting "!".

If the judges weren't so blatantly biased toward both Yu-Na Kim and Mao Asada, I would probably enjoy them about 10 times more. They are both phenomenal skaters who would both be enjoying their fair share of success even without the consistent help from the judges whenever they do something wrong! It is just so frustrating. Time and time again it keeps happening. They can fall and get near personal bests, if not personal bests... They can miss required elements all together and not get hammered for it... They can take off on wrong edges and the judges don't care (at least not in Yu-Na's case)... They can skate absolutely miserable short programs and ALWAYS be held up enough so that they are close enough to the top to win the competition. They can do no wrong! They literally need to fall 4, maybe even 5 or 6 times, in a competition before the judges would dare to leave them off the podium.

Sorry for my rant.
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You took the words right out of my mouth!
 
SHE. DOESN'T. LIP.

Also, you should use examples instead of complaining. Yu-Na and Mao have been judged pretty fairly from what I can tell.
 
People complain about over scoring and judging.

But consider this...

The judging panel consists of 10 different persons from 10 different contries...
Italy, Finland, Japan, USA, Korea, Canada, Germany, Turkey, Belgium and China.

For those who can not accept the RESULTS...
Go to the judge from your own contry and... WHINE & SCREAM.
 
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I'm so tired of this. First of all Scott and Sandra where looking at the same slow motion clip we saw,and called it perfect technique.

Second, Buttle does the same thing looking at the clip, has he ever gotten hit with a lip. There's talk that Miki's fixed her lip to the point where it know looks like Yu-na's, I don't think she's getting hit either.

Why don't instead of people saying the judges are being soo unfair by not calling Yu-na on this, why don't people look and see if others (who have similar (and maybe slight lips/flutzs get called too). IF they don't then leave it the hell a lone, and stop talking about punishing Yu-na while ignoring people like Daisuke.

Mirai Nagasu is another one who has a slight flutz that rarely gets called. This rule is about hitting the OBVIOUS cases that can be seen in real time. It's not about going after people in slow motion.
 
Yes, YuNa does lip but I can only tell in slow-mo.I can't see in real time and the caller cant either. The calls for edges is based on real time. I believe YuNa has perfect technique because of her flow,ice coverage,speed,air position and ride out. If the wrong edge is not noticable, that is perfect too.
 
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