Quads in the 2024-25 season

[eppen]

Some quad statistics for the 2024-25 season here. (2023–24 in the archived threads and also 2022–23.) But before that a LONG explanation of what is included etc.

Sources

The data for this post was collected from various sources since none of the results databases (such as Skating Scores or Rink Results) cover many competitions beyond the international and major domestic ones. And a lot of quads and women’s 3As get attempted outside those competitions.

Out of curiosity, I decided to count how many competition results sites I have checked and made a list of them. The list has almost 1590 comps after I had added the ones which featured quads or women’s 3As and Russian, Japanese, and US competitions. I have left out comps without singles skating and included some quads from comps for which there are no protcols (3 – all seen in videos). My best estimate is that the actual number of competition results I have checked is closer to 1700 since I also regularly look up domestic comps from many European countries.

No results could be found for 344 competitions (22 %), mostly Russian and US events. Most of these were unlikely to feature skaters who would try quads or 3As – this based usually on schedules posted.

Skating Scores has the results of 240 competitions from 2024–25 and singles were included in 233 of them.

There are quads and women’s 3As from 336 competitions and Skating Scores has results for 155 of them (46 %). My quad list has 2982 jumps and 1994 of them are in the Skating Scores database (70 %). Women have attempted 373 quads and 119 of them are covered by Skating Scores (32 %). Of women’s 363 3As, 212 can be found in Skating Scores (57 %).

What is included

I have included every attempt that has been considered a quad by any skater or a 3A by a woman. Almost all are from competitions with scoreboards and/or protocols, but as mentioned above, 3 attempts seen on videos from competitions have been included mostly to have those skaters career totals roughly correct.

The list of quads since 1983 covers almost 20400 quad attempts by the end of 2024–25 season. My best estimate is that some 900 or so more jumps could have been attempted especially in the late 1990s and 2000s. Russian and Chinese domestic events are particularly poorly documented until recently and now also South Korea is beginning to look the same way. 900 jumps are about 4,5 % of the total count.

1519 quads were attempted by women since 1990. My women’s 3A list has 1708 attempts since 1984. Women’s quads and 3As were rare before the 2020s and both lists should cover quite a large percentage of all attempts. There are surely some attempts that we don’t know about, but I suspect that the final figure of the missing jumps would be slightly lower than the 4,5 % for quads. That would be about 145 jumps, which feels quite a lot even for decades of skating history – there are 26 or so quad attempts before Trusova started. 3As have been attempted fairly regularly for a long time – 206 attempts by 2017–18 – and there could be more missing jumps there, but I don’t think there could be more than a dozen (or two).

The list of quadsters has 823 names by the end of 2024–25 season, 618 men and 205 women. The total also includes skaters who have only trained ultra-cs. Total of 672 have tried a quad at least once in competition: 558 men and 114 women. 207 women have dabbled with the 3A and 139 have tried it in competition. Last I checked, 42 women had tried both quads and 3As in competition.

Almost half of the active skaters have started attemptings quads and 3As in the fall of 2020 or after that. About 80 % of women quadsters have started in the past five seasons and about 65 % of the 3A jumpers.

 

[eppen]

And now 2024–25!

Total 2982 attempts (2023–24 2438, 2022–23 2022). 972 in international and 2010 in national competitions. The Russian ban is the reason for the massive domestic count – 1523 attempts in Russian competitions vs. 487 in domestic comps in the rest of the world.

This is also the all-time high per season! (I was hoping for more than 3000 attemts though.)

(If you have followed my previous statistics posts and wonder about the changing annual totals, they are explained by sometimes finding new results pages and/or correcting results put in twice by mistake etc.)

Total 372 attempts by women (2023–24 334, 2022–23 300).

Total 248 skaters tried at least one quad last season (2023–24 225, 2022–23 194).

Total 65 skaters attempted a quad for the first time (2023–24 70, 2022–23 63).

Total 53 women attempted quads (2023–24 50, 2022–23 38). Of these 20 were newbies (2023–24 24, 2022–23 22).

A date of birth could be found for 58 first timers and their ages ranged from 10 to 23 years, average age for all 15 years (men 16,1 years and women 12,6). The youngest woman was a 10-year-old Russian girl, Valeria Moiseeva, and the oldest were Anna Lyashenko (RUS) and Sophie Joline Von Felten (USA), both 15.

Four 12-year-old Russian boys were the youngest in men (Evdokimov, Fedotov Artem, Sokolov, Zhurakhovsky) and the oldest man was 23-year-old North Korean Ro Yong Myong. Of all the 27 first time quadsters below 15 years of age 26 were Russian and Sene Takahashi (JPN) the only non-Russian skater.

The most attempts by a male skater: 78 by Shun Sato (JPN). This is the result of competing 15 times and attempting mainly 2+4 quad layouts. (2023–24 Kao Miura (JPN) 61, 2022–23 Ilia Malinin (USA) 54.)

The most attempts by a female skater: 28 by Viktoria Streltsova (RUS) (2023–24 Elena Kostyleva (RUS) 34, 2022–23 Margarita Bazyluyk (RUS) 34).

Breakdown by age group/national/international competition:
Total 202 attempts at novice level competitions (2023–24 172). These were all in Russia, and I counted all the Elements section jumps.
Total 673 attempts at junior competitions (2023–24 523). 80 international and 593 domestic of which 508 in Russia.
Total 2107 attempts at senior competitions (2023–24 1744), 892 international and 1215 domestic – 813 in Russia.

(Here it is good to remember that at domestic competitions, talented young skaters often get permissions to participate in the competitions for older age groups, so the counts do not perfectly reflect the ages of the skaters.)

Breakdown of women’s attempts by age group and country:
Novice 132: all in Russia, by 25 skaters.
Junior 201: 184 in Russia, by 31 skaters, 17 elsewhere by 4 skaters (AZE, JPN, USA; Arina Kalugina attempted quads for both RUS and AZE).
Senior 39: 27 in Russia, by 5 skaters, 12 elsewhere by 4 skaters (BLR, JPN, USA).

Quads by jump type:
4T 1392
4S 958
4Lo 106
4F 157
4Lz 366
4A 3

84 skaters tried 2 or more different quads: 69 attempted 2 types, 19 3 types, 13 4 types, 2 5 types, and Ilia Malinin (USA) went for all 6.

Quad layouts SP+FS attempted:
0+1 448, 0+2 144, 0+3 75, 0+4 6, 0+5 3 (novice, junior, and women mostly).
1+1 201, 1+2 142, 1+3 25, 1+4 2, 1+5 1 (senior men).
2+1 8, 2+2 37, 2+3 59, 2+4 59, 2+5 11, 2+6 1, 2+7 2 (senior men).
2+5 layouts by 7 skaters (Fedorov, Gumennik, Kondratiuk, Rukhin, Semenenko, Siao Him Fa, Ugozhaev).
Ilia Malinin (USA) was responsible for the 2+6 and the first ever 2+7 layout attempts.

Women and 3As I have not really covered before, but a few words about them as well. The number of attempts rose sharply from the 2023–24 season: 244 to 363. The number of skaters did the same hopping from 40 to 62 women. The number of new skaters was 26 which is also higher than in 2023–24 (17).

Then career totals landmarks achieved this season:

First a correction to last season’s list as Shoma Uno (JPN) has a career total of 350 attempts (297 international and 53 national). I had somehow missed one set of competition results for him.

Numbers 2 and 3 in career totals: Shun Sato (JPN) now at 280 attempts and Jin Boyang (CHN) at 273.

Seven other skaters have 200 or more quad attempts in their careers: Kazuki Tomon (JPN) 270, Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) 260, Nathan Chen (USA) 239, Yuzuru Hanyu (JPN) 233, Kevin Reynolds (CAN) 223, Morisi Kvitelashivili (GEO) 222, Kao Miura (JPN) 206. Further 46 skaters have career totals between 100 and 200 attempts.

Six skaters went over 100 international attempts in 2024–25: Shun Sato (JPN), Nika Egadze (GEO), Yuma Kagiyama (JPN), Sota Yamamoto (JPN), Mikhail Shaidorov (KAZ), and Matteo Rizzo (ITA) (23 before them).

Two skaters got 150 international attempts: Daniel Grassl (ITA) and Ilia Malinin (USA) (8 before them).

Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) got over 200 international attempts (4 before him).

International counts are more reliable since results of domestic competitions were less likely to appear online or in videos for the pre-IJS era. However, the recent Russian ban makes it necessary to look at the domestic counts. 13 skaters are now past the 100 domestic attempts and one, Makar Ignatov (RUS), has more than 150. The other are:

RUS: Dmitri Aliev, Vladislav Dikidzhi, Petr Gumennik, Makar Ignatov, Mark Kondratiuk, Lev Lazarev, Gleb Lutfullin, Andrei Mozalev, Roman Savosin, Evgeni Semenenko.

JPN: Kao Miura, Shun Sato, Kazuki Tomono.

It is worth noting that Lev Lazarev is still a junior for the next two seasons since he turns 16 in November 2025.

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So, men continue to develop and diversify their quad skills – the question is perhaps who will be the next one to try the 4A and/or a quint.

In women, quads are attempted by Russian pre- and early teen girls, but rarely by older skaters. It remains to be seen whether the quad revolution really continues for women. A senior woman is likelier to do good 3As than good quads.

About 14 % of all the quads since 1983 were attempted in the 2024–25 season. The five year period from fall 2020 to spring 2025 accounts for 50 % of all attempts since 1983. The Olympic seasons tend to create peaks at least in number of quad attempts, and it is going to be interesting to see what 2025–26 will be like! The first 1,5 months have already been pretty crazy…

 

[Mathematician]

About 14 % of all the quads since 1983 were attempted in the 2024–25 season.

Very interesting statistic.

The five year period from fall 2020 to spring 2025 accounts for 50 % of all attempts since 1983.

Well, I suppose its less surprising when you put it that way.

 

[DougDorsey]

In women, quads are attempted by Russian pre- and early teen girls, but rarely by older skaters. It remains to be seen whether the quad revolution really continues for women. A senior woman is likelier to do good 3As than good quads.

This is misleading for three reasons.

First, novices in Russia can compete in as many as 5x more events per season as seniors. So, naturally, there's going to be a lot more quad activity in aggregate with these younger skaters.

Secondly, there are many more novice and junior skaters than there are senior skaters. This isn't unique to Russia. Just look at the United States or Korea, where the number of skaters drops substantially once you get into the late teens. So, again, you're naturally going to have more novices and juniors jumping quads than seniors, simply because there are more novices and juniors.

Thirdly, you're overlooking how recent the womens quad revolution was. Many of the current Russian seniors – skaters like Anna Frolova, for example – came up in an era where it wasn't common for most of the top novices and juniors to be performing quads. As such, these Russian seniors never developed quads in the first place, so the fact that they don't have them now isn't indicative of anything.

To answer the question of whether the quad revolution "continues" from girlhood into womanhood, you have to look at whether skaters who actually had quads maintained them into their late teens. (20s isn't relevant yet given the recency of the womens quad revolution. Also, the reality is that only a small percentage of women in the sport continue to compete into their 20s, regardless of nationality and regardless of whether they ever trained quads.)

Of the women who competed in senior Russian Nationals last season, there were four skaters who legitimately had stable quads earlier in their careers: Adeliya Petrosyan, Dasha Sadkova, Alina Gorbacheva, and Sofya Akatyeva. (There are others who perhaps showed quads in training when they were younger, but never achieved stability in competition.) Of those four women, three of them still have quads. (And the fourth, Sofya Akatyeva, has landed quads in warmups and shows in the past year, but just hasn't been able to regain stability with it in competition.)

So, if nothing else, we have examples of skaters who have held onto their quads into seniors. It won't be true of every skater, but it's been shown it's possible. And it's not just Russia...Mao Shimada, though not an international senior yet, turns 17 in two months, and continues to show her 4T. Her success rate on the jump has never been great, but she still has it, as she demonstrated just this past week at the Kinoshita Trophy. And I imagine she's intent on holding onto it given her need to focus on the 2030 Olympics.

 

[Arigato]

Michelle Kwan
Nancy Kerrigan
Tonya Harding
Amber Glenn
Bradie Tennell
Starr Andrews
Katarina Witt
Yuna Kim
Mao Asada
Miki Ando
Midori Ito
Shizuka Arakawa
Satoko Miyahara
Kaori Sakamoto
Wakaba Higuchi


I could keep going . . . all competed in their 20's.

 

[eppen]

Michelle Kwan
Nancy Kerrigan
Tonya Harding
Amber Glenn
Bradie Tennell
Starr Andrews
Katarina Witt
Yuna Kim
Mao Asada
Miki Ando
Midori Ito
Shizuka Arakawa
Satoko Miyahara
Kaori Sakamoto
Wakaba Higuchi


I could keep going . . . all competed in their 20's.

Alas, it was not about women competing after their teens but rather the quadsters not continuing to attempt quads after their early to mid teens.

 

[Magill]

Also, the reality is that only a small percentage of women in the sport continue to compete into their 20s, regardless of nationality and regardless of whether they ever trained quads.)

Alas, it was not about women competing after their teens but rather the quadsters not continuing to attempt quads after their early to mid teens.

Oh, but was it... ? It says "regardless of nationality and regardless of whether they ever trained quads".

 

[eppen]

This is misleading for three reasons.

First, novices in Russia can compete in as many as 5x more events per season as seniors. So, naturally, there's going to be a lot more quad activity in aggregate with these younger skaters.

Secondly, there are many more novice and junior skaters than there are senior skaters. This isn't unique to Russia. Just look at the United States or Korea, where the number of skaters drops substantially once you get into the late teens. So, again, you're naturally going to have more novices and juniors jumping quads than seniors, simply because there are more novices and juniors.

Thirdly, you're overlooking how recent the womens quad revolution was. Many of the current Russian seniors – skaters like Anna Frolova, for example – came up in an era where it wasn't common for most of the top novices and juniors to be performing quads. As such, these Russian seniors never developed quads in the first place, so the fact that they don't have them now isn't indicative of anything.

To answer the question of whether the quad revolution "continues" from girlhood into womanhood, you have to look at whether skaters who actually had quads maintained them into their late teens. (20s isn't relevant yet given the recency of the womens quad revolution. Also, the reality is that only a small percentage of women in the sport continue to compete into their 20s, regardless of nationality and regardless of whether they ever trained quads.)

Of the women who competed in senior Russian Nationals last season, there were four skaters who legitimately had stable quads earlier in their careers: Adeliya Petrosyan, Dasha Sadkova, Alina Gorbacheva, and Sofya Akatyeva. (There are others who perhaps showed quads in training when they were younger, but never achieved stability in competition.) Of those four women, three of them still have quads. (And the fourth, Sofya Akatyeva, has landed quads in warmups and shows in the past year, but just hasn't been able to regain stability with it in competition.)

So, if nothing else, we have examples of skaters who have held onto their quads into seniors. It won't be true of every skater, but it's been shown it's possible. And it's not just Russia...Mao Shimada, though not an international senior yet, turns 17 in two months, and continues to show her 4T. Her success rate on the jump has never been great, but she still has it, as she demonstrated just this past week at the Kinoshita Trophy. And I imagine she's intent on holding onto it given her need to focus on the 2030 Olympics.

Valid points! I would like to make clear that I have been waiting for the women's quad revolution since the 1980s when Midori came along with her 3A and guys were starting to do quads on a fairly regular basis. I honestly thought that it was going to happen now, but at the moment I am slightly disillusioned.

There are more novice/junior skaters who compete a lot, but they also very often have stopped doing quads by the time they turn seniors. In many cases, it seems they have stopped skating altogether.

This wave of women's quads has now lasted 8 seasons (starting the count from 2017-18) which is getting to be enough to start evaluating what is going on and what the development has been.

There have been 195 women who have dabbled with quads (this number is probably much higher since not everyone wishes to publish their training data). Then 114 of them have attempted at least one quad in competition and then 43 have managed to do one cleanly. The average starting age is just shy of 13 and the last/latest quad age is 14,2 in average. 92 of the 114 are (probably) still active.

About 50% of those training get their quad(s) consistent enough to compete with them. Then from the competitors 38% manage to do one good one. And of these 10 have managed to do good at least once in seniors (9% of the competitors). These are all seniors according to the old age rule, btw, so they have been around for some time.

The ones who have been 18 or older are: Tursynbaeva (19, one jump), Kihira (18, one jump), and Sumioyoshi (20, one jump). 17 year-olds include now Shcherbakova, Trusova, and Petrosyan - these have all also more than 1 good jump under their belt at that age. Gorbacheva could also be included though she is still a junior, but she got 2 good jumps last season as a 17-year-old. The percetage of successful late teens women is pretty low so far.

And why I am feeling pessimistic comes from just looking at the numbers of girls who are not jumping quads any more even though they might still be skating. Here's a list of those who started before the 2023-24 season, organized by the season they started. * for still active skaters. ? for those whose situation is uncertain. Bold for those who attempted a quad in 2024-25.

2017-18 Trusova (13-18)

2018-19 Shcherbakova (14-17), Tarakanova (13), Tursynbaeva (19), Dmitrieva (11)

2019-20 Akatyeva (12-17)*, Gorbacheva (12-17)*, Gordeeva (10-15)*, Liu (14)*, Sakamoto (19)*, Berestovkaya (11-13), Khromykh (13-15), Kihira (17-18)?, Loboda (12), Tuktamysheva (23), Valieva (13-15), Zhilina (11-14)?

2020-21 Dvoeglazova (12-16)*, Glagolevskaya (12-14)*, Marasanova (11-13)*,Samodelkina (13-15)*, Shimada (12-16)*, Sinitsyna (16-17)*, Yamashita (17)*, Kalin (12-16), Kisel (14), Lagutova (13-14), Zinina (13-15)

2021-22 Astashenkova (12-13)*, Morozova (12-13)*, Muravyova (15)*, Petrosyan (14-17)*, Prineva (10-14)*, Sadkova (13-16)*, Sumiyoshi (18-21)*, Titova S. (12-14)*, Zakharova (13-15)*, Denisova (14)?, Rebrova (13), Shcherbinina (13), Sabada (11)?

2022-23 Bazyluyk (11-13)*, Bykova (12)*, Chernobavskaya (11-12)*, Chiba (17)*, Kalugina (11-14)*, Korchazhnikova (9-11)*, Kostyleva (11-13)*, Kravchina (13-14)*, Krivonosova (12)*, Lebedeva M. (13-14)*, Lukashova (11-13)*, Mazur (13-14)*, Milto D. (12-14)*, Nelyubova (14-15)*, Rubtsova (13)*, Stotskaya (10-12)*, Titova E. (12)*, Utkina (11-12)*, Zigorenko (12-13)*, Yatsenko (11-12)*, Kurlina (11), Ponteleenko (13-14)?

I can also add that of the 23 girls who tried a quad in 2023-24 for the first time, 3/15 of the juniors and 5/8 of the novice girls tried again in 2024-25.

So, quite a few skaters stop attempting quads even though their careers continue. Remains to be seen whether the more recent quadsters be able to continue jumping them and turn the statistics more to the junior/senior side.

I have also a tendency to be super pessimistic just to be happily surprised when my expectations turn out to be wrong... So I hope things will turn around and more and more quadster girls turn into quadster women!

 

[eppen]

Oh, but was it... ? It says "regardless of nationality and regardless of whether they ever trained quads".

Oh, sorry, I thought it was sth I wrote...

In 2023, I calculated the average age of retirement for women who have competed in the Worlds since 15 became the senior age and the average retirement age was 21,5 years. This was calculated for 289 skaters and about half of them (156) were 21 or older at retirement. Interestingly enough, the average retirement age before the change in age was 20,4 years - this was calculated for 288 skaters and 123 were in their 20s. So, actually quite a few elite women do continue to compete in to their 20s.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Sabada (11)?

Switched to pairs.

 

[Arigato]

Oh, but was it... ? It says "regardless of nationality and regardless of whether they ever trained quads".

Indeed. And that was the quote I was responding to. It was harder for me to come up with a skater I knew of who did not compete in their 20's than who did.

 

[eppen]

What I tried to say in the messy post about who has continued with quads is that there is now more women competing than ever who have attempted quads, but are choosing not to try them the older they get. The dominance of novice and junior aged skaters is not just about how many there are of them or how much they compete, it is also about the seniors (and older juniors) not attempting quads despite having done so in the past.

The potential pool of quadsters for seniors in 2024-25 was 11 and 3 attempted (27 %).

The same for juniors 51 and 29 tried (57 %).

And for the novice category 23 of whom 21 tried (91 %).

Both novice and junior groups include quite a few newcomers, so they don't represent what has happened in the past as the seniors do.

The number of skaters for seniors has been between 1 and 16 (exculding 2017-18 when there was only one junior quadster) and the average is 9. The number of those who have attempted quads was 5-6 for a couple of seasons and now 3 for the previous two. There's a drop in the percentage in seniors from 83 % to 27 % from 2019-20 to 2024-25.

The number of junior skaters has risen from 1 to 51 (average 16) since 2017-18 and the number of those who have attempted has risen from 1 to 29 (average 14). There's a drop in the percentage in juniors from 100 % to 57 % from 2018-19 to 2024-25.

The first novice quadster appeared in 2018-19 and since then number has risen to 23 (average 13). The percentage novice group has been above 90 since the 2021-22 season.

The 2025-26 season potential for seniors is 19 and at least 57 for juniors which are highest ever, so it will be interesting to see how many of them will actually attempt a quad!

 

[lariko]

Some quad statistics for the 2024-25 season here. (2023–24 in the archived threads and also 2022–23.) But before that a LONG explanation of what is included etc.

Sources

The data for this post was collected from various sources since none of the results databases (such as Skating Scores or Rink Results) cover many competitions beyond the international and major domestic ones. And a lot of quads and women’s 3As get attempted outside those competitions.

Out of curiosity, I decided to count how many competition results sites I have checked and made a list of them. The list has almost 1590 comps after I had added the ones which featured quads or women’s 3As and Russian, Japanese, and US competitions. I have left out comps without singles skating and included some quads from comps for which there are no protcols (3 – all seen in videos). My best estimate is that the actual number of competition results I have checked is closer to 1700 since I also regularly look up domestic comps from many European countries.

No results could be found for 344 competitions (22 %), mostly Russian and US events. Most of these were unlikely to feature skaters who would try quads or 3As – this based usually on schedules posted.

Skating Scores has the results of 240 competitions from 2024–25 and singles were included in 233 of them.

There are quads and women’s 3As from 336 competitions and Skating Scores has results for 155 of them (46 %). My quad list has 2982 jumps and 1994 of them are in the Skating Scores database (70 %). Women have attempted 373 quads and 119 of them are covered by Skating Scores (32 %). Of women’s 363 3As, 212 can be found in Skating Scores (57 %).

What is included

I have included every attempt that has been considered a quad by any skater or a 3A by a woman. Almost all are from competitions with scoreboards and/or protocols, but as mentioned above, 3 attempts seen on videos from competitions have been included mostly to have those skaters career totals roughly correct.

The list of quads since 1983 covers almost 20400 quad attempts by the end of 2024–25 season. My best estimate is that some 900 or so more jumps could have been attempted especially in the late 1990s and 2000s. Russian and Chinese domestic events are particularly poorly documented until recently and now also South Korea is beginning to look the same way. 900 jumps are about 4,5 % of the total count.

1519 quads were attempted by women since 1990. My women’s 3A list has 1708 attempts since 1984. Women’s quads and 3As were rare before the 2020s and both lists should cover quite a large percentage of all attempts. There are surely some attempts that we don’t know about, but I suspect that the final figure of the missing jumps would be slightly lower than the 4,5 % for quads. That would be about 145 jumps, which feels quite a lot even for decades of skating history – there are 26 or so quad attempts before Trusova started. 3As have been attempted fairly regularly for a long time – 206 attempts by 2017–18 – and there could be more missing jumps there, but I don’t think there could be more than a dozen (or two).

The list of quadsters has 823 names by the end of 2024–25 season, 618 men and 205 women. The total also includes skaters who have only trained ultra-cs. Total of 672 have tried a quad at least once in competition: 558 men and 114 women. 207 women have dabbled with the 3A and 139 have tried it in competition. Last I checked, 42 women had tried both quads and 3As in competition.

Almost half of the active skaters have started attemptings quads and 3As in the fall of 2020 or after that. About 80 % of women quadsters have started in the past five seasons and about 65 % of the 3A jumpers.

Thank you as usual for the stats! Weeee!

 

[lariko]

And now 2024–25!

Total 2982 attempts (2023–24 2438, 2022–23 2022). 972 in international and 2010 in national competitions. The Russian ban is the reason for the massive domestic count – 1523 attempts in Russian competitions vs. 487 in domestic comps in the rest of the world.

This is also the all-time high per season! (I was hoping for more than 3000 attemts though.)

(If you have followed my previous statistics posts and wonder about the changing annual totals, they are explained by sometimes finding new results pages and/or correcting results put in twice by mistake etc.)

Total 372 attempts by women (2023–24 334, 2022–23 300).

Total 248 skaters tried at least one quad last season (2023–24 225, 2022–23 194).

Total 65 skaters attempted a quad for the first time (2023–24 70, 2022–23 63).

Total 53 women attempted quads (2023–24 50, 2022–23 38). Of these 20 were newbies (2023–24 24, 2022–23 22).

A date of birth could be found for 58 first timers and their ages ranged from 10 to 23 years, average age for all 15 years (men 16,1 years and women 12,6). The youngest woman was a 10-year-old Russian girl, Valeria Moiseeva, and the oldest were Anna Lyashenko (RUS) and Sophie Joline Von Felten (USA), both 15.

Four 12-year-old Russian boys were the youngest in men (Evdokimov, Fedotov Artem, Sokolov, Zhurakhovsky) and the oldest man was 23-year-old North Korean Ro Yong Myong. Of all the 27 first time quadsters below 15 years of age 26 were Russian and Sene Takahashi (JPN) the only non-Russian skater.

The most attempts by a male skater: 78 by Shun Sato (JPN). This is the result of competing 15 times and attempting mainly 2+4 quad layouts. (2023–24 Kao Miura (JPN) 61, 2022–23 Ilia Malinin (USA) 54.)

The most attempts by a female skater: 28 by Viktoria Streltsova (RUS) (2023–24 Elena Kostyleva (RUS) 34, 2022–23 Margarita Bazyluyk (RUS) 34).

Breakdown by age group/national/international competition:
Total 202 attempts at novice level competitions (2023–24 172). These were all in Russia, and I counted all the Elements section jumps.
Total 673 attempts at junior competitions (2023–24 523). 80 international and 593 domestic of which 508 in Russia.
Total 2107 attempts at senior competitions (2023–24 1744), 892 international and 1215 domestic – 813 in Russia.

(Here it is good to remember that at domestic competitions, talented young skaters often get permissions to participate in the competitions for older age groups, so the counts do not perfectly reflect the ages of the skaters.)

Breakdown of women’s attempts by age group and country:
Novice 132: all in Russia, by 25 skaters.
Junior 201: 184 in Russia, by 31 skaters, 17 elsewhere by 4 skaters (AZE, JPN, USA; Arina Kalugina attempted quads for both RUS and AZE).
Senior 39: 27 in Russia, by 5 skaters, 12 elsewhere by 4 skaters (BLR, JPN, USA).

Quads by jump type:
4T 1392
4S 958
4Lo 106
4F 157
4Lz 366
4A 3

84 skaters tried 2 or more different quads: 69 attempted 2 types, 19 3 types, 13 4 types, 2 5 types, and Ilia Malinin (USA) went for all 6.

Quad layouts SP+FS attempted:
0+1 448, 0+2 144, 0+3 75, 0+4 6, 0+5 3 (novice, junior, and women mostly).
1+1 201, 1+2 142, 1+3 25, 1+4 2, 1+5 1 (senior men).
2+1 8, 2+2 37, 2+3 59, 2+4 59, 2+5 11, 2+6 1, 2+7 2 (senior men).
2+5 layouts by 7 skaters (Fedorov, Gumennik, Kondratiuk, Rukhin, Semenenko, Siao Him Fa, Ugozhaev).
Ilia Malinin (USA) was responsible for the 2+6 and the first ever 2+7 layout attempts.

Women and 3As I have not really covered before, but a few words about them as well. The number of attempts rose sharply from the 2023–24 season: 244 to 363. The number of skaters did the same hopping from 40 to 62 women. The number of new skaters was 26 which is also higher than in 2023–24 (17).

Then career totals landmarks achieved this season:

First a correction to last season’s list as Shoma Uno (JPN) has a career total of 350 attempts (297 international and 53 national). I had somehow missed one set of competition results for him.

Numbers 2 and 3 in career totals: Shun Sato (JPN) now at 280 attempts and Jin Boyang (CHN) at 273.

Seven other skaters have 200 or more quad attempts in their careers: Kazuki Tomon (JPN) 270, Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) 260, Nathan Chen (USA) 239, Yuzuru Hanyu (JPN) 233, Kevin Reynolds (CAN) 223, Morisi Kvitelashivili (GEO) 222, Kao Miura (JPN) 206. Further 46 skaters have career totals between 100 and 200 attempts.

Six skaters went over 100 international attempts in 2024–25: Shun Sato (JPN), Nika Egadze (GEO), Yuma Kagiyama (JPN), Sota Yamamoto (JPN), Mikhail Shaidorov (KAZ), and Matteo Rizzo (ITA) (23 before them).

Two skaters got 150 international attempts: Daniel Grassl (ITA) and Ilia Malinin (USA) (8 before them).

Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) got over 200 international attempts (4 before him).

International counts are more reliable since results of domestic competitions were less likely to appear online or in videos for the pre-IJS era. However, the recent Russian ban makes it necessary to look at the domestic counts. 13 skaters are now past the 100 domestic attempts and one, Makar Ignatov (RUS), has more than 150. The other are:

RUS: Dmitri Aliev, Vladislav Dikidzhi, Petr Gumennik, Makar Ignatov, Mark Kondratiuk, Lev Lazarev, Gleb Lutfullin, Andrei Mozalev, Roman Savosin, Evgeni Semenenko.

JPN: Kao Miura, Shun Sato, Kazuki Tomono.

It is worth noting that Lev Lazarev is still a junior for the next two seasons since he turns 16 in November 2025.

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So, men continue to develop and diversify their quad skills – the question is perhaps who will be the next one to try the 4A and/or a quint.

In women, quads are attempted by Russian pre- and early teen girls, but rarely by older skaters. It remains to be seen whether the quad revolution really continues for women. A senior woman is likelier to do good 3As than good quads.

About 14 % of all the quads since 1983 were attempted in the 2024–25 season. The five year period from fall 2020 to spring 2025 accounts for 50 % of all attempts since 1983. The Olympic seasons tend to create peaks at least in number of quad attempts, and it is going to be interesting to see what 2025–26 will be like! The first 1,5 months have already been pretty crazy…

Maybe we'll hit 3K in this season

 

[lariko]

Valid points! I would like to make clear that I have been waiting for the women's quad revolution since the 1980s when Midori came along with her 3A and guys were starting to do quads on a fairly regular basis. I honestly thought that it was going to happen now, but at the moment I am slightly disillusioned.

There are more novice/junior skaters who compete a lot, but they also very often have stopped doing quads by the time they turn seniors. In many cases, it seems they have stopped skating altogether.

This wave of women's quads has now lasted 8 seasons (starting the count from 2017-18) which is getting to be enough to start evaluating what is going on and what the development has been.

There have been 195 women who have dabbled with quads (this number is probably much higher since not everyone wishes to publish their training data). Then 114 of them have attempted at least one quad in competition and then 43 have managed to do one cleanly. The average starting age is just shy of 13 and the last/latest quad age is 14,2 in average. 92 of the 114 are (probably) still active.

About 50% of those training get their quad(s) consistent enough to compete with them. Then from the competitors 38% manage to do one good one. And of these 10 have managed to do good at least once in seniors (9% of the competitors). These are all seniors according to the old age rule, btw, so they have been around for some time.

The ones who have been 18 or older are: Tursynbaeva (19, one jump), Kihira (18, one jump), and Sumioyoshi (20, one jump). 17 year-olds include now Shcherbakova, Trusova, and Petrosyan - these have all also more than 1 good jump under their belt at that age. Gorbacheva could also be included though she is still a junior, but she got 2 good jumps last season as a 17-year-old. The percetage of successful late teens women is pretty low so far.

And why I am feeling pessimistic comes from just looking at the numbers of girls who are not jumping quads any more even though they might still be skating. Here's a list of those who started before the 2023-24 season, organized by the season they started. * for still active skaters. ? for those whose situation is uncertain. Bold for those who attempted a quad in 2024-25.

2017-18 Trusova (13-18)

2018-19 Shcherbakova (14-17), Tarakanova (13), Tursynbaeva (19), Dmitrieva (11)

2019-20 Akatyeva (12-17)*, Gorbacheva (12-17)*, Gordeeva (10-15)*, Liu (14)*, Sakamoto (19)*, Berestovkaya (11-13), Khromykh (13-15), Kihira (17-18)?, Loboda (12), Tuktamysheva (23), Valieva (13-15), Zhilina (11-14)?

2020-21 Dvoeglazova (12-16)*, Glagolevskaya (12-14)*, Marasanova (11-13)*,Samodelkina (13-15)*, Shimada (12-16)*, Sinitsyna (16-17)*, Yamashita (17)*, Kalin (12-16), Kisel (14), Lagutova (13-14), Zinina (13-15)

2021-22 Astashenkova (12-13)*, Morozova (12-13)*, Muravyova (15)*, Petrosyan (14-17)*, Prineva (10-14)*, Sadkova (13-16)*, Sumiyoshi (18-21)*, Titova S. (12-14)*, Zakharova (13-15)*, Denisova (14)?, Rebrova (13), Shcherbinina (13), Sabada (11)?

2022-23 Bazyluyk (11-13)*, Bykova (12)*, Chernobavskaya (11-12)*, Chiba (17)*, Kalugina (11-14)*, Korchazhnikova (9-11)*, Kostyleva (11-13)*, Kravchina (13-14)*, Krivonosova (12)*, Lebedeva M. (13-14)*, Lukashova (11-13)*, Mazur (13-14)*, Milto D. (12-14)*, Nelyubova (14-15)*, Rubtsova (13)*, Stotskaya (10-12)*, Titova E. (12)*, Utkina (11-12)*, Zigorenko (12-13)*, Yatsenko (11-12)*, Kurlina (11), Ponteleenko (13-14)?

I can also add that of the 23 girls who tried a quad in 2023-24 for the first time, 3/15 of the juniors and 5/8 of the novice girls tried again in 2024-25.

So, quite a few skaters stop attempting quads even though their careers continue. Remains to be seen whether the more recent quadsters be able to continue jumping them and turn the statistics more to the junior/senior side.

I have also a tendency to be super pessimistic just to be happily surprised when my expectations turn out to be wrong... So I hope things will turn around and more and more quadster girls turn into quadster women!

The change in age from 15 to 17 came right in the middle of it, then Rus ban. My theory is what we will see is women having 2-stage career, taking a break over a difficult transitional time between 16-18, then re-emerging with less, but more stable ultra c. From what we see with 3A in women, this is what's happening if there is luck/forethought to preserve conditioning despite body changes. So, like, 21-25 will become new 11-15 for women. Most of the women we had seen as of right now, be it in Japan, Korea or Russia, were trained under the system that expected maximum performance in 15-18 range, whenever the blessed Olympic occurred. Anyone we are seeing as novice will (hopefully) be trained for a career that is not as compressed and intense. Or we might even see some interesting changes on maximum performance in women born in July-August since they enter senior competition basically at 18, sitting out puberty rebuild while still in juniors. I am interested to see what will happen to Akat'yeva in the next season & of course, Shimada.

 

[eppen]

3A stats by age look very different from quads - senior women tend to have no huge problems with the 3A. My latest count is from some time towards the end of 2024-25, but then total of 1577 3As and 429 of them were by skaters 18 years or older (27 %). The percentage is the same for good quality 3As - about a quarter of them are by older skaters.

The figures for quads from the end of 2024-25 were 1497 attempts and 61 of them by 18 years or older (4 %) and among the good ones, the older skaters account for less than 1 %.

So, unfortunately, I don't think what happens in the 3A scene can be applied to the quads.

There are two quadsters with breaks in jumping quads who have attempted them after the break - Akatyeva and Gorbacheva. Akatyeva's break was in her mid- to late teens and her return quad was not great (and only one attempt despite several comps). Gorbacheva has a break much younger and returned stronger. But she is now 17, so the 16-18 break does not apply. Most of those who have 3-6 seasons of quads in their careers have done them in consecutive years.

I have also thought about the change in age rule effect and did some stats for it. I looked at skaters who have attempted quads in their junior years or later.

Of the 114 who have so far attempted quads, 41 have yet to reach junior age or did not attempt quads junior/senior.

There are 38 skaters who have attempted quads as jr/sr but have not been able to get one good one ever. (And a good one = fully-rotated and GOE+.)

The remaining 35 have had at least one good quad as a junior or senior. 8 of them have yet to reach 15 so they're not included.

Of these 27 women, 12 became senior under the old age rules. This is for a 20+ season period starting with Ando. 11 attempted quads as a senior and 10 got at least one good one. There were 209 attempts and 86 of these were good ones. All the good attempts (and most of the bad ones) occurred in 2018-19 or later.

Majority of the good jumps - 58 - are by girls who would had not turned senior yet according to the new age rule. Those who have gotten a good quad as a senior at 17 are: Tursynbaeva, Kihira, Trusova, Shcherbakova, Sumiyoshi and Petrosyan. Altogether 28 jumps, half of them by Trusova.

The 15 left would have turned senior in the past two seasons or this season (3 girls) had the old rule been kept - the youngest 3 have yet to compete this season, so let's forget them.

The 12 remaining skaters have attempted 72 quads and of thse 29 have been good. 5 were 15 years-old, 6 16-year-olds, and 2 so far 17-year-olds (6 will turn 17 during this season). 4 have not attempted quads at all. The only 17-year-old with good quads so far is Gorbacheva (2).

It will be interesting to see what the numbers looks like at the end of 2025-26 season. There is certainly more potential now than ever before - girls/women who have theoretically the skill. But will they use those skills? Are they capable of using them? And if more senior women don't attempt quads under the new age rule, is it because of the rule or because they just can't do them? (After all, very few have ever attempted quads after 17 years of age...)

Again, I remind you that I would love to see senior women slay in the quad front! I am just not very hopeful that they will.

 

[4everchan]

The change in age from 15 to 17 came right in the middle of it, then Rus ban. My theory is what we will see is women having 2-stage career, taking a break over a difficult transitional time between 16-18, then re-emerging with less, but more stable ultra c. From what we see with 3A in women, this is what's happening if there is luck/forethought to preserve conditioning despite body changes. So, like, 21-25 will become new 11-15 for women. Most of the women we had seen as of right now, be it in Japan, Korea or Russia, were trained under the system that expected maximum performance in 15-18 range, whenever the blessed Olympic occurred. Anyone we are seeing as novice will (hopefully) be trained for a career that is not as compressed and intense. Or we might even see some interesting changes on maximum performance in women born in July-August since they enter senior competition basically at 18, sitting out puberty rebuild while still in juniors. I am interested to see what will happen to Akat'yeva in the next season & of course, Shimada.

I think that more skaters may opt to only have a junior career because it will coincide with education. So they will go out with a bang and not return to competitive skating as seniors.

I think that coaching methods may change in order to keep the athletes in for longer, for those who do want a senior career. Figure skating is famous for the wear and tear it provides on the body... A lot of the skaters doing quads very young have indeed not continued in the sport when they became adults... especially those with the big jumps. So good coaches will probably need to make some choices here : why would they focus on quads if it may have a long term impact on a skater's body and prevent them from jumping well into their early-mid twenties ?

Of course, here there is a huge difference between women and men. So I am talking about women here as many men acquire their quads later and post-puberty.

 

[lariko]

I think that more skaters may opt to only have a junior career because it will coincide with education. So they will go out with a bang and not return to competitive skating as seniors.

This is a normal attrition process for countries with a lot of depth, who usually have the women with ultra c. It's what happens now — most women stop skating once they pursue university and family. Those who plan to stay on and can have higher earnings through skating than in alternative career path, and who had ultra c, well, their coaches would have to plan accordingly or work with them after they take a break. However, for many families, success in juniors is already a sufficient boost to either ego or revenue, so they will continue quads in juniors where it is possible. Young women are not different from young men in that they would rather do what comes naturally to them and what is fun and makes them big stars, i.e. jumping. Ultra c is already there, and it gives an advantage, with one 3A and one quad being enough to make Shimada unbeatable in the current technical pool. This will be the goal for anyone who wants to succeed in seniors and does not have a major federation behind them to inflate their PCS/GoE. There will be a number of women in small feds aiming to skate long careers for these feds in seniors in the next cycle. Senior women have an advantage over the junior ones as well in the SP in regards to the 3A, as they can count a fall on a 3A as a valid element.