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So what am I listening to right now? As it is late at night , and the competition is long over for today, here's some Chopin and Paddy, the best Chopin-playing maestro of the time between Chopin himself and Krystian Zimerman :rock:
And not just Chopin!! Paderewski was a real rockstar before anyone ever heard of rock, a real piano genius!!!
(sorry for the quality of the recording though I think it is some kind of miracle that we have any recordings of him at all, they are almost 100 years old..)


And he was probably who got the independence of Poland after World War I, and led it afterwards as a Prime Minister until 1921.
 
And he was probably who got the independence of Poland after World War I, and led it afterwards as a Prime Minister until 1921.
That's very true! The US President Wilson (and quite a few others within his close circle) being a great fan of Paderewski in the years long before and during WW1 might have helped a bit in promoting his agenda for Poland's independence, or so they say!! :)
Oh, wow, how art and politics can intertwine sometimes (and for a good cause this time)! :rock:
Chopin, a great Polish patriot himself, would have been very glad :rock::)

Speaking of the role of fans..... :cheeky:

And for those interested some more historical info and pics :)
 
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We did a show program once to You Don't Bring Me Flowers, his duet with Barbra Streisand. :love3:
I loved it when Brian Orser skated to "The Story of My Life" & "Headed for the Future" (his encore) during the 1988 Champions on Ice Tour (the tour had a different name back then). Of course, I really liked many of Neil Diamond's earlier songs too - "Solitary Man, " "Cherry Cherry," "Cracklin' Rosie," Shiloh," etc.
 
I am pretty sure that most of the crowd queuing for hours, often at night or since early dawn, to get a seat in the Warsaw Philharmonic Hall to hear the Chopin Competition live know it all by heart and soul, and heard it all before. And many of them queue there every 5 years, nonetheless. :)
Here's an article where two attendants did queue from the early hours of the tickets sales day, last year, got tickets for most sessions but not the Final, and are considering queuing in 2029 (for the 2030 competition) from the eve of the ticket sales day, to have also tickets for the Final:
https://www.chopincompetition.pl/en/newsroom/behind-the-scenes-notes-13th-day?id=110&type=news

The tickets sales day for this competition was October 1st, 2024, over a year before the session (except for the inaugural concert, and the Prize Winners Concert after the competition):
https://www.chopincompetition.pl/en/tickets

Edit: suppression of an useless paragraph.
 
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I am pretty sure that most of the crowd queuing for hours, often at night or since early dawn, to get a seat in the Warsaw Philharmonic Hall to hear the Chopin Competition live know it all by heart and soul, and heard it all before. And many of them queue there every 5 years, nonetheless. :)
Not only heard it before and know it, but also probably have their favourite performers for many pieces :), and I can't say Zimmerman is one of mine, but it's a matter of taste and preference, there is no good or bad. But one can't stick to the same beloved thing for the rest of one's life, so sometimes people move on to other things. I would like to say that if I were there I would want to go, but considering the ticket problems, and that I tend to avoid those... maybe not...

The recording of Paderewski is fantastic quality considering how old it is. Recordings of many other early 20th century pianists are noisier :(, still worth listening. I mean it depends how much noise one can tolerate, but worth at least listening once, then one can decide.
 
I loved it when Brian Orser skated to "The Story of My Life" & "Headed for the Future" (his encore) during the 1988 Champions on Ice Tour (the tour had a different name back then). Of course, I really liked many of Neil Diamond's earlier songs too - "Solitary Man, " "Cherry Cherry," "Cracklin' Rosie," Shiloh," etc.
A lot of them were great for warm-up music, like "Cracklin' Rosie", and "Sweet Caroline" was our coach's favourite for swing rolls as a stroking exercise.
 
The Cliburn Competition is quite popular I think? Some of the candidates at the Chopin Competition have participated, and this 2025 Cliburn finalist (he won a special prize) was the best I've heard at the Chopin Competition until now (but I haven't heard half of the Second Stage participants), he wasn't taken for the Third Stage and it's a scandal:

Here are his videos at the Chopin Competition:

There's a rather detailed survey ongoing (with tests on extracts, each played by two pianists, and all), so we'll probably know within weeks who watches the Competition, but I rather believe that the core of the viewers know much of the repertoire "by heart" and has heard at least part of it played by different pianists, which is always a very new experience. Like with a number of great geniuses, one can listen to Chopin repeatedly without boredom (emotional strain is a different matter), it's always new and fresh.
Thank you for the link to Jonas Aumiller. A pleasant young man with a fairly restrained manner. Prelude no. 17 and F-minor fantasia were my favourites in his 2nd round recital. Having heard multiple recordings, read two editions of complete correspondence in two languages, as it often happens one more complete and better annotated than the other, and a couple books about the composer (including the one by Liszt 😅), I totally agree with everything you say. But life is short, there are other things to experience, and I am kind of at the "move on" stage at the moment... 🤷‍♀️
BTW, I wonder if Liszt's book might have been written or edited by princess von Wittgenstein or someone else maybe?.. Liszt's writing is usually pretty easy to understand. His correspondence with Wagner and many of his essays are a pleasant reading, but the language of this book and some other essays is borderline incomprehensible, as if they were written by a different person.
 
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Thank you for the link to Jonas Aumiller. A pleasant young man with a fairly restrained manner. Prelude no. 17 and F-minor fantasia were my favourites in his 2nd round recital. Having heard multiple recordings, read two editions of complete correspondence in two languages, as it often happens one more complete and better annotated than the other, and a couple books about the composer (including the one by Liszt 😅), I totally agree with everything you say. But life is short, there are other things to experience, and I am kind of at the "move on" stage at the moment... 🤷‍♀️
BTW, I wonder if Liszt's book might have been written or edited by princess von Wittgenstein or someone else maybe?.. Liszt's writing is usually pretty easy to understand. His correspondence with Wagner and many of his essays are a pleasant reading, but the language of this book and some other essays is borderline incomprehensible, as if they were written by a different person.
Liszt was reported to have an easy and pleasant conversation, adapting to his audience, in several languages. I did read his biography of Chopin and a few others, the most reputable in time but perhaps not the most accurate, as I discovered with Internet. I read a little bit of his correspondence, I've never been interested in Wagner so in spite of their family ties I didn't seek their correspondence. I don't think that Caroline von Sayn was his secretary, even less edited anything, but one may have surprises. Were these essays on religious matters? He had very personal views there, with mystical periods when he may have written differently?
It's so true that we change in time and "need" different music etc!
 
Liszt was reported to have an easy and pleasant conversation, adapting to his audience, in several languages. I did read his biography of Chopin and a few others, the most reputable in time but perhaps not the most accurate, as I discovered with Internet. I read a little bit of his correspondence, I've never been interested in Wagner so in spite of their family ties I didn't seek their correspondence. I don't think that Caroline von Sayn was his secretary, even less edited anything, but one may have surprises. Were these essays on religious matters? He had very personal views there, with mystical periods when he may have written differently?
It's so true that we change in time and "need" different music etc!
Oh, no, she wasn't his secretary, she was the woman he loved. But I heard a opinion that she wrote the "Life of Chopin", maybe he was busy. In his correspondence with Wagner there are some letters written by her, she writes in a bit of a high style, while he writes more matter-of-factly, he writes a lot about business. Wagner actually writes some interesting things that I think Liszt wouldn't write because he was more down-to-earth. Wagner also complains a lot. :) But the correspondence itself is pre-Wagner-Cosima, that part would be curious. I mostly read essays about music, I was not very interested in religious matters, but I was interested in his take on Wagner's work. A lot of it was like he mentions some essay he just wrote, and I read it to get the context.

For the Chopin lovers here, may I recommend a Youtube channel by Greg Niemczuk: https://www.youtube.com/@gregniemczuk
He analyses piano compositions and explains how they came about, what they mean, etc. I stumbled upon it when I was trying to understand why some things touched me very much more than others, whether I was one of those shallow people who only goes for cliches and effects. But he does a pretty good job of explaining that there are indeed things to like in the stuff you like, also how some works are best performed and what to look for in them.
 
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Well, of course I've also read a biography or two of Liszt, I know that after the last minute refusal by Rome of declaring her marriage null, they lived in neighbouring cells and were discussing a lot together, that's why I believed that you thought that she may have written it under his direction. I don't remember that Caroline von Sayn and Chopin knew each other? They were close when George Sand and Marie d'Agoult were close, and had to stop this closeness when their lovers had a disagreement, then Liszt was more often in Weimar...
Thank you for the Youtube channel! Of course, Chopin's music expressing many emotions, one is more likely to feel closer when one has experienced similar emotions?
 
That's very true! The US President Wilson (and quite a few others within his close circle) being a great fan of Paderewski in the years long before and during WW1 might have helped a bit in promoting his agenda for Poland's independence, or so they say!! :)
Oh, wow, how art and politics can intertwine sometimes (and for a good cause this time)! :rock:
Chopin, a great Polish patriot himself, would have been very glad :rock::)

Speaking of the role of fans..... :cheeky:

And for those interested some more historical info and pics :)

Speaking of history, art and politics, it would be fair to also mention Valdimir Sofronitsky and Emil Gilels performing at Potsdam conference, where Gilels performed Op.40 Military polonaise. :) I don't know what Sofronitsky performed but he is mostly known as an interpreter of Scriabin, whose son-in-law he was. Critics say he was one of the greats of his time but also his performance was uneven, which is unfortunately reflected in his live recordings on Youtube. He wasn't allowed to travel abroad much, I believe he only was out of USSR twice: in Paris in late 1920s and in Potsdam in 1945, and he didn't record a lot. Among not so well known pianists is also Maria Grinberg, she recorded quite a bit including a complete set of Beethoven's sonatas, and those are very good quality in all respects.
 
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A lot of them were great for warm-up music, like "Cracklin' Rosie", and "Sweet Caroline" was our coach's favourite for swing rolls as a stroking exercise.
Speaking of warm-up music and of Chopin, Ballet students often warm up (pliés, les often petit allegro) with his Andante Spianato, prélude to the Grande Polonaise Brillante. Is it sometimes used in Figure Skating?
I'm not posting her Krystian Zimerman's version because he wouldn't like it, being so old, but his "idol" Arthur Rubinstein's:
 
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Speaking of warm-up music and of Chopin, Ballet students often warm up (pliés, les often petit allegro) with his Andante Spianato, prélude to the Grande Polonaise Brillante. Is it sometimes used in Figure Skating?
I'm not posting her Krystian Zimerman's version because he wouldn't like it, being so old, but his "idol" Arthur Rubinstein's:

I've never done group/class sessions in skating, and we just used whatever we found, rummaging in someone's case of tapes or, later, CDs. Warming up the muscles off the ice isn't usually done to music as it is at the barre class I often drop in on at a ballet academy near me. For skaters, it's just stretching and running in place etc. Sometimes someone will have headphones on, but they're using their own choice of music. On the ice, warm-up music is a lot louder and with a more driving rhythm to get your blood flowing and your speed up.

Something as quiet as the Chopin might be used for cool-down at the end of your session, but I'd use a tape of my husband playing it. His alternate career was as a keyboard musician, mostly the organ as a soloist or with the Vancouver Symphony if needed, but he also played the piano and harpsichord in recital. Or I probably have a recording of it by his cousin, Canadian pianist Jane Coop, if she has one.
 
I've never done group/class sessions in skating, and we just used whatever we found, rummaging in someone's case of tapes or, later, CDs. Warming up the muscles off the ice isn't usually done to music as it is at the barre class I often drop in on at a ballet academy near me. For skaters, it's just stretching and running in place etc. Sometimes someone will have headphones on, but they're using their own choice of music. On the ice, warm-up music is a lot louder and with a more driving rhythm to get your blood flowing and your speed up.

Something as quiet as the Chopin might be used for cool-down at the end of your session, but I'd use a tape of my husband playing it. His alternate career was as a keyboard musician, mostly the organ as a soloist or with the Vancouver Symphony if needed, but he also played the piano and harpsichord in recital. Or I probably have a recording of it by his cousin, Canadian pianist Jane Coop, if she has one.
Thank you! It makes sense!
 
Fascinating discussion of Chopin, enjoyable informative reading.
Smiled at the reference of Woodrow Wilson. My grandfather was a great admirer and gave his son (my Dad, born 1919) his (middle) name Woodrow. My mother’s family is native to southern Poland but their music taste was most likely Polkas (Gram listened to it on the radio when I was little). My Mom and Aunt loved Chopin.

Recently revisited Tchiakovsky’s Piano Concerto No. 1, comparing different artists (still prefer Graffman to others including Cliburn and Kissin)
 
Speaking of history, art and politics, it would be fair to also mention Valdimir Sofronitsky and Emil Gilels performing at Potsdam conference, where Gilels performed Op.40 Military polonaise. :) I don't know what Sofronitsky performed but he is mostly known as an interpreter of Scriabin, whose son-in-law he was. Critics say he was one of the greats of his time but also his performance was uneven, which is unfortunately reflected in his live recordings on Youtube. He wasn't allowed to travel abroad much, I believe he only was out of USSR twice: in Paris in late 1920s and in Potsdam in 1945, and he didn't record a lot. Among not so well known pianists is also Maria Grinberg, she recorded quite a bit including a complete set of Beethoven's sonatas, and those are very good quality in all respects.
Well, I would not compare Paderewski to those sent in by Stalin to Potsdam, even though it might not have been their first choice to live in and represent the Stalin's Russia ( I have deep compassion for everyone who had bad luck of living then and there, and understand how limited their choices were, if any at all).
And yet there is a huge difference between playing for VIPs and being a VIP. Sofronitsky and Gilels played at the Potsdam conference by the end of WW2 because that was the whim of the dictator they were subjected to, Paderewski actually signed the Paris Treaty ending the WW1. I have a feeling that he was not just playing for VIPs but played them, charming them with his music at those private concerts at the White House, and then proceeding to discuss with the US President(s) the future borders of the future country which he was to be the Prime Minister of soon enough (which we know he did). See the difference? Really you cannot compare those circumstances!
But speaking of Potsdam, did you know that US President Truman actually played Paderewski's music there himself which he learned as a teen from the Maestro himself? When I think of it, it makes me wonder how much these private sentimental circumstances did to save Poland from the fate of becoming yet another Soviet Republic, hmmmm.... After all, it was in the hands of the 3 powers...
Just another little addition to the discussion of art and politics....
 
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@Magill It's hard for me to say anything. You see, the 1990s for me was a hard time, because my whole world was turned upside down, everything I valued was painted black, anathematized, but this was not what I knew firsthand. I am not saying everything was great, but... Then at some point the need to understand who and why did this, became too pressing and I studied the statistics. They are published, just not publicized. They represent a very different picture than the one painted by the likes of the Nobel prize winner Solzhenitsin, but unlike the writings by Solzhenitsin, these are well documented historic studies. Then I read some memoirs and analytics. People write all sorts of stuff, some liked it, some didn't, but they write about experiences and corroborate them with evidence. There is no question that a lot of what you probably know and some of what I know about those times is not true. But I think, having lived in the place, I understand it a little better... It's not all black and white. I see a lot of drawbacks, but a lot of what I've seen makes a lot of sense. I don't know much about Sofronitsky, to be honest. What I know is that he liked to perform in Scriabin's house, just didn't like to be recorded, and the place is unfortunately in Moscow, much as some might want it to be somewhere in NYC. It didn't belong to him, it's a museum, but the place was dear to him nevertheless. I know that Rachmaninov struggled in immigration. I can totally empathize with those folks whose world was turned upside down in 1917. I had to choose too. But my grandparents on both sides are of a peasant descent, they were able to receive a free university education and became teachers, doctors and journalists, so did my parents, but they went for engineering, and I have a Ph.D. This would not have been remotely possible prior to 1917. Rachmaninov did well eventually in the US, most importantly, he found an inspiration to write Symphonic dances, his last and favourite composition. Some people say they can't create in immigration. Did you know that Rach sent money to the Soviet Union during the war? Read Chopin's letters, they might help you understand what it feels like to be in this position. Read Wagner, how he missed his Germany. Prokofiev chose to return and did very well, blossomed, until he was repressed by Asafiev and Muradeli. I am not sure what happened to his ex-wife, she was apparently in Gulag for a couple of years. As for Sofronitsky, he could have stayed in Paris, but he didn't. He could have evacuated from Leningrad, but chose to stay. He was eventually evacuated in 1942 and worked in Moscow as a conservatory professor, and so did Shostakovich. Shostakovich had a hard time, honestly, I think "chaos instead of music" and especially "the ballet falseness" were very unfair and very dangerous, although I disagree with his view of Ekaterina Izmailova, trust me SafeSport would not approve of it either, and I am not a fan of most of his music. Evidence points in the direction of Zhdanov, something here for you to read between the lines. But read his Evidence, read about what he experienced as a young musician prior and soon after the revolution and what he says about Glazunov. You know, I am not the best person to turn to for support of your point of view, simply because I don't see it the same way. To me it's much deeper than Stalin = evil, USSR = evil, Russia = evil but not as much, but, hey, still very evil, but I am sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to talk to you about it.
 
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