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What makes an Olympic Program an Olympic Program?

I think, olympic program is the one that wins the Olympics. It follows that the question to ask for contenders is what programs will give them the best chance of qualifying and then winning. Everyone answers differently, as best they can.
Common sense suggests: comfortable to do the elements, has high scoring potential, impactful and skated cleanly.
 
Common sense suggests: comfortable to do the elements, has high scoring potential, impactful and skated cleanly.
Quite so.

However, I on't think that this really has anything to do with the Olympics. per se. Every skater always strives to present programs that are comfortable, high scoring and full of impact. No one ever begins a season saying, well this isn't an Olympic year so I guess I'll go for boring and low-scoring.
 
I also think that there is a difference between what skaters are aiming for depending on whether their goal is an Olympic medal, or to introduce themselves to a wider audience (perhaps in hopes of a professional performing career), or just to represent their country at the Olympics or to cap off their own career with an Olympic performance they can be proud of.
 
Quite so.

However, I on't think that this really has anything to do with the Olympics. per se. Every skater always strives to present programs that are comfortable, high scoring and full of impact. No one ever begins a season saying, well this isn't an Olympic year so I guess I'll go for boring and low-scoring.
Looking at some competitions - not olympic of course, you'd think people made it their goal to be boring. How is the question so is the answer. Maybe you can come up with a precise definition of an "olympic program" other than something that made it to the games, and explain what sets examples you've given apart from the rest, and which programs from the same event were not "olympic" in your opinion and why? Usually it's just commentators' chatter, meaning they like somebody's skating. Yes, the idea is, you keep some stuff for the olympic season and are more careful, people have done this, like VM or Orser's 1988 FS. But seeing how many people are recycling programs, one might as well say an olympic program is something recycled. BTW, Arakawa skated to Turandot in 2002, 2004 and 2006.
 
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How is the question so is the answer.
Yeah, I kind of agree with this position. I think that for the most part when people say things like, "that was truly Olympian" they just mean something like "epic" or "awesome."

Of course any skater would be thrilled to skate an epic, awesome program at the Olympic Games. :nod:

For dictionary buffs, the American heritage Dictionary gives 4 definitions of "Olympian."

1. Of or pertaining to the greater gods of Ancient Greece (for instance Zeus, Apollo, Quadg0d, etc.)

2. Magnificent in manner.

3. Of or relating to the Olympic Games.

4. Of or relating to the region of Olympia in Greece or its inhabitants.

Something for everyone.
 
Yeah, I kind of agree with this position. I think that for the most part when people say things like, "that was truly Olympian" they just mean something like "epic" or "awesome."

Of course any skater would be thrilled to skate an epic, awesome program at the Olympic Games. :nod:

For dictionary buffs, the American heritage Dictionary gives 4 definitions of "Olympian."

1. Of or pertaining to the greater gods of Ancient Greece (for instance Zeus, Apollo, Quadg0d, etc.)

2. Magnificent in manner.

3. Of or relating to the Olympic Games.

4. Of or relating to the region of Olympia in Greece or its inhabitants.

Something for everyone.
There is not much to add. :)
 
so to speak but it was, in hindsight, good enough, and in fact perfect, for an Olympic Worthy program because it hit all the right emotions, it drew people in, and it has been remembered by so many people, fans and non-fans, because it had the perfect amount of drama and emotion and Sparkle and Technical brilliance to exist and be remembered under the Olympic lights.
I totally agree that it was one of the most Olympic of Olympic Programs in ice dance with all the glitter and shine and memorability, same with the Tong/Pang one shown earlier; despite my groaning at music choices they are designed after all to hit specific and common emotional buttons, just as showtunes are.
 
Yeah, I kind of agree with this position. I think that for the most part when people say things like, "that was truly Olympian" they just mean something like "epic" or "awesome."
Because after all quite a few of the Olympic programs now considered most iconic didn't win. The Tong/Pang program above didn't. Nor did the wonderful Asada one in 2014 or Yuna Kim's sublime Send in the Clowns (whereas the actual winner's program is largely forgotten) or Javier's representing-my-country-with-everything-I-have 2018 choices. Even if we say "has the chance of winning" in practical terms these days that's only a handful but most of those who know they are not going to win clearly do their best to create something that in their minds' eye will dazzle and make them memorable (Jason took his iconic Riverdance to 2014, is reshaping it for 2022.)
 
...if it's a music/theme which is too light...
Since we are going down memory lane on the 2010 Olympics, here is one of my all-time faves in the "lighthearted" category. Presenting: Mirai Nagasu (age 16) as "Carmen's Little Sister."

 
At my age and length of fandom, it has to be REALLY special to be Olympic-worthy, which I guess I define as being a program at the Olympics that I'm going to watch over and over and over. That means it needs to be daring in some way - artistically or musically or athletically - and I need a level of emotional engagement and originality - at least a fresh spin.

John Curry's Don Quixote was an Olympic program. Torvil and Dean's Bolero. Both of Michelle Kwan's programs in 1998 (especially as performed at US Nationals). Sasha Cohen's Bright Eyes SP.

Now there are a lot of very good programs from very good athletes that won the Olympics, and they deserved to win. But they don't make the cut. Nathan Chen's Rocket Man is an example of a non-Olympic worthy program in my eyes. The Phillip Glass program would have been. Neither of Ilia's programs are Olympic worthy, although I expect I will enjoy them and he will win, and he will deserve it. Maybe if he skates that 7 quad program flawlessly it will exceed my expectations for jaw-dropping spectacular-ness. I think Succession could have been an Olympic program.

So far this season, I've seen exactly ONE Olympic-worthy program across all disciplines, although I have hope that some others will evolve to meet the moment as the season progresses. I don't know whether this makes me just a cranky old man or a very discriminating fan of the sport.
 
Emotion. When the skater(s) connect with the music, the program, their own passion, and the audience. When they GIVE the audience something, an experience. When the skaters embody the music, body and soul. When the skater(s) create a moment. Torvill/Dean 1984.

Of course, that's what I want non-Olympic programs to be too. Not everyone can have that moment at the Olys, but when they do, it's great. I'm also happy when they have such a moment at Worlds, Euros, Nationals. (Cain/LeDuc's SP-- White Crow! -- and FS at US Nationals 2022.)

Alysa Liu's SP and FS at Worlds '25 created those moments. I hope she'll keep both programs for this season.

Wild energy. Intensity. Fun. Joy. It can be anything. BTW, I think Nathan's Rocket Man was a perfect Olympic skate. I have every confidence that Ilia's performance will be a great Olympic skate.

This is one of my favorite Olympic programs and skates of all time. I never tire of it. M/D.
 
This is one of my favorite Olympic programs and skates of all time. I never tire of it. M/D.
This certainly is a very good program. Music cut is careful, nice use of the slow section, very strong development in the second half about 3:25 to 4:05 and special thanks for not putting this section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPaeQ-wyTk&t=250 on repeat like many skaters do for their step sequences. The downside is the program has a bit of an anti-climax before the pair spin, where the music is swamped by applause.
Choreo-wise, they didn't do in 1994 anything they hadn't done in 1992, so between the two, I prefer Liebestraum. It was pretty innovative, e.g. the signature spin (which I didn't really like and many couples later copied), then the cantilever/spread eagle spiral into a death spiral into a split into a death spiral into another one at the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ylNGSd7lo&t=229. Meanwhile GG by 1994 had undergone a complete makeover into maturity compared to their previous outing, and their programs were a lot more stylish, esp. the SP where MD lost a lot of ground. Overall I can see why MD won in 1992 but not in 1994 despite being technically stronger.
I guess innovation, even compared to previous self, is another thing that can sometimes help a program place, even if not make it worthy, something to keep in mind for program recyclers.
 
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Who, who? :)
Yuma's Turandot free. It has the potential to bring down the house on Olympic ice and be a program that is talked about 20 years from now.

I don't think it will win, but that really doesn't matter in terms of how much I would enjoy seeing that skated to full potential.

He's a beautiful skater, he'll be skating to kinda-familiar music (but not really a warhorse because the cuts are so original), opera in Italy, beautifully choreographed, the whizbang difficulty will be there with multiple quads. It's a moment to be made, if he can make it.
 
Because after all quite a few of the Olympic programs now considered most iconic didn't win.
I think that there is also a distinction to be made between a program and a particular performance of that program. Michelle Kwan's 1998 Lyra Angelica program was Olympic-worthy and would have won the OGM if she had performed it as brilliantly as she had done at U.S. Nationals that year.
 
I think that there is also a distinction to be made between a program and a particular performance of that program. Michelle Kwan's 1998 Lyra Angelica program was Olympic-worthy and would have won the OGM if she had performed it as brilliantly as she had done at U.S. Nationals that year.
Yes. Timing is everything. Whether she peaked a tad too early that season, or if Olympic nerves just caught her... both of her performances were better at US Nats. It was apparent in real time. She got away with that in the SP, because it was still first at the Olympics, but she didn't get away with it in the long. Even so, Tara won on a 6-3 split, so even that lesser performance could still have won. The difference was the freedom in which Tara skated when Michelle was holding back in a way that she didn't do at Nationals.
 
I guess innovation, even compared to previous self, is another thing that can sometimes help a program place, even if not make it worthy, something to keep in mind for program recyclers.

Mishketenek/Dmitriev yes, were innovative with their program.

That Rachmaninoff free skate just fulfills every emotion for me of what a truly Olympic program and a truly Olympic skate is. For me, all the emotion, passion, innovation, confidence, connection to the music and performance for the audience is way more important than technical prowess. A feeling of wildness also gives a performance that extra something. Such as Alysa Liu's FS to MacArthur Park, this M/D skate, and Charlie White's wild quality.

Although I will say that I truly hate it when striving for technical points results in falls or even other smaller mistakes, which really can ruin that Olympic moment, for me.
 
I think that there is also a distinction to be made between a program and a particular performance of that program. Michelle Kwan's 1998 Lyra Angelica program was Olympic-worthy and would have won the OGM if she had performed it as brilliantly as she had done at U.S. Nationals that year.
Same for Patrick Chan in 2014. His programs at 2013 TEB were as perfect as they could be. But he didn't skate them like that in Sochi, leaving room for Yuzu to win instead.

As far as the thread topic generally, it seems to me that this sentiment has become shorthand for opinions such as, "I don't like this program" and/or "I don't think the four-year fans/general public will like this program" and/or "This program won't be the best showcase of figure skating for such a wide audience." In other words, I think it's complicated.

Two of the most non-Olympic programs of all time (for me) are D&S's Aboriginal Dance and T&M's Candyman. Both were skated at the Olympics.
 
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