2026 Olympics: Women's Free Skate

[Blackmirage]

I've just read what he said... While I agree about the World Record and the comparison with Sui Wenjing and Han Cong, the fact that a Russian Pairs skater speaks of these Beijing Olympic Games makes me wonder what he thought and said of the scoring enjoyed by Anastasia Mishina and Aleksandr Galliamov, to the point that they nearly reached the score got and deserved by the former? Riku Miura and Ryuichi Kihara enjoyed a very generous scoring at an event (Milano Olympic Games) when Sui Wenjing and Han Cong couldn't give the best of themselves; at Beijing the Chinese were at their best yet a "differentiate" scoring nearly had them lose to an inferior team... I would have been shocked, had Sui Wenjing and Han Cong at their best, been scored only a bit above (or even, under) Riku Miura and Ryuichi Kihara, but this is not what happened.

Savchenko/Massot got over 159 ponts in The 2018 Olympic Games, and 162,31 at the Worldchampionships same year. So no "World record" here.

 

[reneerose]

I am praying for Kaori for a lights out clean skate.

 

[DizzyFrenchie]

Savchenko/Massot got over 159 ponts in The 2018 Olympic Games, and 162,31 at the Worldchampionships same year. So no "World record" here.

Isn't there a notion of "Historical Records" for Pairs' scores until 2018 World Championships, reset from the 2018-2019 season, like with Singles?

 

[lariko]

Like Amber can't do 2, 3axel in long unless one is in combo.

Junior women skaters can only do a 3A in a combo in SP. Senior women can't do a quad in SP. Rules apply to everyone. They apply to every jump, not just 3A. Amber is not singled out in any way by the rules. In fact, she is favored by them because she can perform 3A. But to win, Amber needs to do more than landing 3A. If the competition was who can land 3A better in SP, Amber's 3A would have probably beat Nakai's and they wouldn't have had any other competitors to contest it.

 

[celiabiche]

I wonder if Petrosian will land the 4T in competition... practice reports show it being very inconsistent. Do we think she can clutch the gold if she lands it and everything else relatively clean>

 

[DizzyFrenchie]

Junior women skaters can only do a 3A in a combo in SP. Senior women can't do a quad in SP. Rules apply to everyone. They apply to every jump, not just 3A. Amber is not singled out in any way by the rules. In fact, she is favored by them because she can do 3A. But to win, Amber need to do more than landing 3A. If the competition was who can land 3A better in SP, Amber's 3A would have probably beat Nakai's and they wouldn't have had any other competitors.

Can't they also jump it as a Solo Triple Jump, the Axel Jump having still to be a Double Axel?

 

[lariko]

Can't they also jump it as a Solo Triple Jump, the Axel Jump having still to be a Double Axel?

No, because 3A as a single jump is expressly forbidden to junior women in SP, but they omitted spelling it out in the rulebook about forbidding it in a combo. It has to be a 2A as a stand alone jump, and another single triple jump that changes every year but has to be performed. The only wiggle room in junior's SP is the combo.

 

[DizzyFrenchie]

I wonder if Petrosian will land the 4T in competition... practice reports show it being very inconsistent. Do we think she can clutch the gold if she lands it and everything else relatively clean>

There have been reports of both a Solo and a Combination 4T. It's true that a 4T in the Free Skate can bring +6pts in Base Value (I remember that it was +6.2 for Alyona Kostornaya when it was in question, so, with a 3A and a 3A+2T in the program too). But if she doesn't jump a 3A, and other skaters jump a 3A and are clean, it's not as big an advantage? Also, the GOE matters. A 4T with a low GOE won't bring that much and may exhaust the skater. Unless the judges give a Quad bonus without real Components difference.

 

[DizzyFrenchie]

No, because 3A as a single jump is expressly forbidden to junior women in SP, but they omitted spelling it out in the rulebook about forbidding it in a combo. It has to be a 2A as a stand alone jump, and another single triple jump that changes every year but has to be performed. The only wiggle room in junior's SP is the combo.

I had forgotten the compulsory Solo Triple for the Juniors, sorry really! And this year it's Loop.

 

[lariko]

There have been reports of both a Solo and a Combination 4T. It's true that a 4T in the Free Skate can bring +6pts in Base Value (I remember that it was +6.2 for Alyona Kostornaya when it was in question, so, with a 3A and a 3A+2T in the program too). But if she doesn't jump a 3A, and other skaters jump a 3A and are clean, it's not as big an advantage? Also, the GOE matters. A 4T with a low GOE won't bring that much and may exhaust the skater. Unless the judges give a Quad bonus without real Components difference.

One advantage of 4T is that it lets her increase the number of triples as she can stuck up 3Lz and 3F twice w/o Zayak. She won't be jumping 3A.

 

[gmyers]

I wonder if Petrosian will land the 4T in competition... practice reports show it being very inconsistent. Do we think she can clutch the gold if she lands it and everything else relatively clean>

They aren’t reliable all the time but it’s not on planned elements! The practice went very poorly. But that also is not reliable as well all the time! Unless her pcs goes up for the free she would probably need it! She would have to rely on lots of qs and < from others if she didn’t. Take it in her own hands and gamble or gamble on strict tech caller and nerves of others

 

[lariko]

They aren’t reliable all the time but it’s not on planned elements! The practice went very poorly. But that also is not reliable as well all the time! Unless her pcs goes up for the free she would probably need it! She would have to rely on lots of qs and < from others if she didn’t. Take it in her own hands and gamble or gamble on strict tech caller and nerves of others

That's all she can do, and I'll root for her to skate well.

 

[skatedreamer]

I wonder if Petrosian will land the 4T in competition... practice reports show it being very inconsistent. Do we think she can clutch the gold if she lands it and everything else relatively clean>

Personally, I wouldn't like the gold to be awarded on the basis of one quad.

IMO whoever wins the gold should show real artistry as well as technical prowess. Petrosian doesn't do that, at least not from my perspective. She doesn't seem to relate to her music or care about connecting with the audience.

For the same reason, even if Ilia had landed all his quads, it would have bothered me a bit if he had won. That's not exactly the same because his jumps are light years above the rest in spite of his weak presentation. However, it is the same principle: the winner should be a complete package of technique and artistry.

Again, JMO. May the best skater win!

 

[Mathman]

Do we think she can clutch the gold if she lands it [the quad] and everything else relatively clean>

In my humble opinion, I do think that two quads and a clean program will be enough to win. But it will come down to who makes the fewest mistakes among the front-runners.

 

[LazyFuzai]

Do we want Kaori or Alysa to win? Or we are here for some surprise from Ami?

 

[skatesofgold]

I wonder if Petrosian will land the 4T in competition... practice reports show it being very inconsistent. Do we think she can clutch the gold if she lands it and everything else relatively clean>

I watched her free program during training earlier and she made the 4T-2T combo, but not the solo 4T.

 

[flakyy]

I am praying for Kaori for a lights out clean skate.

Sakamoto is never completely clean - even if she lands everything without underrotation. Because of the lutz edge. She has no lutz. Those deficencies were always pointed out when Eteri's skaters were on the ice ... ... I really wonder why the system is so lenient with those wrong jumps. De facto it's against the Zayak rule ... and there are a lot of flutzes around ... instead of properly working on it skaters get away with the points gained in comparison to an easier layout they would be forced to present if those wrong jumps were ... nullified. Of course they don't work on it.

 

[maofan]

“A 158 for the free skate is an absolute overreach – giving them such scores is unprofessional and disrespectful to other athletes,” Dmitri Kozlovskii on Riku Miura and Ryuichi Kihara’s score

Russian pair skater Dmitri Kozlovskii criticized the judging of Japanese duo Riku Miura and Ryuichi Kihara, who set a new world record score of 158.13 points at the Milan Olympics, calling the score an

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It sounds like Dmitri Kozlovskii was doing real time commentary. He would have given 155, he says, and then the real score comes up. 158.13

The concept of world records in skating is ridiculous since the scoring guidelines change every year, and even event to event, panels do not apply then consistently.

The best we can hope is that the judges judge fairly in each competition.

Kozlovski should have checked the protocols of the two events. S&H 2022 beat M&K 2026 based on PCS, but M&K dominated on tech. S&H had the quad twist, but they only did 3t2t2t and had a very ur'd 3S. M&K only had a triple twist but they had a good 3S and a 3t2A2A combination, so they crushed S&H 2022 in TES.

Thank you for that, I too never understood why people talk about world records in skating, the rules and points awarded are changing constantly (and don't get me started on G.O.A.T. - I hate this word- , there is not such thing as "Greatest of all time", you just cannot compare different decades in any sport, let alone since the beginning of time)!

 

[CoyoteChris]

Have you already forgotten Malinin's reaction after the FS like 10 minutes ago?

No. It still haunts me. But one of his coaches who is a Russian and old has commented on how his team had a bad effect on him....

 

[Mathman]

Do we want Kaori or Alysa to win? Or we are here for some surprise from Ami?

I for one wouldn't regard a great skate from Ami Nikei as a surprise. Or Mone Chiba, for that matter.