Rrecommendations for beginner skater coming off of rentals??

[square4]

hello everyone!!!!!! i'm a beginner adult skater that started around 2 months ago!! i've been taking my lessons in rentals and i decided i wanted to commit to the sport and buy a new pair! if it helps, we are currently learning 3 turns and crossovers. my coach just recommended either edea overture or chorus with mk professionals, and i wanted to ask on here before deciding anything!

age: 20
height: 164 cm
weight: 65 kg
i think my arches are normal
my foot shape seems to be either orient or african, and i think my forefoot is quite wide

any help would be appreciated

 

[Diana Delafield]

hello everyone!!!!!! i'm a beginner adult skater that started around 2 months ago!! i've been taking my lessons in rentals and i decided i wanted to commit to the sport and buy a new pair! if it helps, we are currently learning 3 turns and crossovers. my coach just recommended either edea overture or chorus with mk professionals, and i wanted to ask on here before deciding anything!

age: 20
height: 164 cm
weight: 65 kg
i think my arches are normal
my foot shape seems to be either orient or african, and i think my forefoot is quite wide

any help would be appreciated

Your coach's choice of blades is good. Either the MK Pro or CA will see you through all the technical levels you'll be achieving, for years to come.

As for boots, you need the eyes of a professional fitter at a good skate shop for that. Where do you live, and someone here will be able to recommend where to go? (Not to a general sporting goods store or buying online.)

Probably Edea or Jackson will work with your wide forefoot, but the most important part is the heel fit. The rest of the foot part of a boot can be moulded, but not the heel which has to fit very snugly. Your fitter will measure all parts of your foot and ankle, all around. Different brands fit differently shaped feet, and then the model differs within the range produced by that brand. As an adult, you need stiffer boots than a child beginner learning the same moves. With your height/weight ratio, I'd probably recommend going for the stronger Chorus, if Edea turns out to be the right brand for your feet, but even the softer Overture would be a big improvement over the rental skates you've been using. Good luck!

 

[nat01]

hello everyone!!!!!! i'm a beginner adult skater that started around 2 months ago!! i've been taking my lessons in rentals and i decided i wanted to commit to the sport and buy a new pair! if it helps, we are currently learning 3 turns and crossovers. my coach just recommended either edea overture or chorus with mk professionals, and i wanted to ask on here before deciding anything!

age: 20
height: 164 cm
weight: 65 kg
i think my arches are normal
my foot shape seems to be either orient or african, and i think my forefoot is quite wide

any help would be appreciated

Jackson Artiste Js 1790 or the Js 1791,Elle Fs 2130 or Elle Fs 2192 both have stronger ankle support....for the serious be beginners who want to advance.

 

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Your coach's choice of blades is good. Either the MK Pro or CA will see you through all the technical levels you'll be achieving, for years to come.

As for boots, you need the eyes of a professional fitter at a good skate shop for that. Where do you live, and someone here will be able to recommend where to go? (Not to a general sporting goods store or buying online.)

Probably Edea or Jackson will work with your wide forefoot, but the most important part is the heel fit. The rest of the foot part of a boot can be moulded, but not the heel which has to fit very snugly. Your fitter will measure all parts of your foot and ankle, all around. Different brands fit differently shaped feet, and then the model differs within the range produced by that brand. As an adult, you need stiffer boots than a child beginner learning the same moves. With your height/weight ratio, I'd probably recommend going for the stronger Chorus, if Edea turns out to be the right brand for your feet, but even the softer Overture would be a big improvement over the rental skates you've been using. Good luck!

thanks so much for your reply! i'm located in hong kong, and when i asked the skaters in my rink where they go, they told me they go to hk skate co. from their website, it seems that they stock only edea and risport (and i heard that some stores have a try-on fee??? which is kind of worrying) there's are rink shops that stock jackson, but i'm not too sure they are a professional fitter

 

[square4]

Jackson Artiste Js 1790 or the Js 1791,Elle Fs 2130 or Elle Fs 2192 both have stronger ankle support....for the serious be beginners who want to advance.

i think the skate shop where I live that stocks jackson only has mystique and freestyle for the blade attached boots.. would freestyle still be ok?

 

[nat01]

Jackson Artiste Js 1790 or the Js 1791,Elle Fs 2130 or Elle Fs 2192 both have stronger ankle support....for the serious be beginners who want to advance.

One more last thing rentals my be good avoid if you can because there used often...and you don't know the condition of them...

 

[Diana Delafield]

i think the skate shop where I live that stocks jackson only has mystique and freestyle for the blade attached boots.. would freestyle still be ok?

Looks as if your query has got submerged by others in this section. Sorry, that happens when there are a lot of different conversations going on.

@Ic3Rabbit , do you know the best place in or near Hong Kong for this beginner who wants to advance from rental skates to real ones? She has a coach, who has recommended Edea Chorus or Overture + MK Pros, and has heard from other skaters at her rink that someone in that area also sells Risport. She has wide forefeet.

 

[nat01]

Looks as if your query has got submerged by others in this section. Sorry, that happens when there are a lot of different conversations going on.

@Ic3Rabbit , do you know the best place in or near Hong Kong for this beginner who wants to advance from rental skates to real ones? She has a coach, who has recommended Edea Chorus or Overture + MK Pros, and has heard from other skaters at her rink that someone in that area also sells Risport. She has wide forefeet.

Yes because the blades are interchangeable with the Jackson freestyle atom version including if you what to switch over to inline rollers..

Looks as if your query has got submerged by others in this section. Sorry, that happens when there are a lot of different conversations going on.

@Ic3Rabbit , do you know the best place in or near Hong Kong for this beginner who wants to advance from rental skates to real ones? She has a coach, who has recommended Edea Chorus or Overture + MK Pros, and has heard from other skaters at her rink that someone in that area also sells Risport. She has wide forefeet.

Looks as if your query has got submerged by others in this section. Sorry, that happens when there are a lot of different conversations going on.

@Ic3Rabbit , do you know the best place in or near Hong Kong for this beginner who wants to advance from rental skates to real ones? She has a coach, who has recommended Edea Chorus or Overture + MK Pros, and has heard from other skaters at her rink that someone in that area also sells Risport. She has wide forefeet.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Looks as if your query has got submerged by others in this section. Sorry, that happens when there are a lot of different conversations going on.

@Ic3Rabbit , do you know the best place in or near Hong Kong for this beginner who wants to advance from rental skates to real ones? She has a coach, who has recommended Edea Chorus or Overture + MK Pros, and has heard from other skaters at her rink that someone in that area also sells Risport. She has wide forefeet.

Try Inside Edge at Festival Walk, HK Skate Co.

If you have wide forefeet @nat01 Then you do not want edea boots.

 

[square4]

Try Inside Edge at Festival Walk, HK Skate Co.

If you have wide forefeet @nat01 Then you do not want edea boots.

thanks so much for the recommendations!!! i think I will just go to hkskateco after all, because that's who my coach recommended lol

anyways, if edea doesn't work for wide feet, would you know whether risport does? cuz those are the two brands that the shop carries!

thanks again for your reply!! it was very helpful

 

[Diana Delafield]

thanks so much for the recommendations!!! i think I will just go to hkskateco after all, because that's who my coach recommended lol

anyways, if edea doesn't work for wide feet, would you know whether risport does? cuz those are the two brands that the shop carries!

thanks again for your reply!! it was very helpful

Risport has two lines, RF and Royal Pro, that use different lasts. I wear the Risport RF1 model (which would be overbooting for you, but there's the RF3 model that is not quite as stiff). I have very narrow, high-arched feet, though. Your fitter may suggest trying the differently-shaped Risport Royal Pro line instead, having measured and actually seen your feet.

 

[tstop4me]

hello everyone!!!!!! i'm a beginner adult skater that started around 2 months ago!! i've been taking my lessons in rentals and i decided i wanted to commit to the sport and buy a new pair! if it helps, we are currently learning 3 turns and crossovers. my coach just recommended either edea overture or chorus with mk professionals, and i wanted to ask on here before deciding anything!

age: 20
height: 164 cm
weight: 65 kg
i think my arches are normal
my foot shape seems to be either orient or african, and i think my forefoot is quite wide

any help would be appreciated

Hi. I have similar characteristics (except a lot older ) . Somewhat lighter, somewhat taller. Arches were normal, but since fallen, so I wear corrective insoles. Orient feet. Ball wide with respect to heel. I'm a male skater, and Jacksons are a good fit for me.

Before I recommend a model: Are you female or male? Do you plan to jump?

 

[square4]

Hi. I have similar characteristics (except a lot older ) . Somewhat lighter, somewhat taller. Arches were normal, but since fallen, so I wear corrective insoles. Orient feet. Ball wide with respect to heel. I'm a male skater, and Jacksons are a good fit for me.

Before I recommend a model: Are you female or male? Do you plan to jump?

Hi! i'm female! as for jumping, i think i will probably wear down a new pair before i even start learning how to jump to be honest! it's only been a few months since i've started ahaha

 

[tstop4me]

Hi! i'm female! as for jumping, i think i will probably wear down a new pair before i even start learning how to jump to be honest! it's only been a few months since i've started ahaha

In that case, look at the Debut 2550.

Also, read through this previous thread for tips on fitting and sizes: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/skates-fitter-advice-for-adult-beginner.103345/.

Good Luck!

 

[square4]

In that case, look at the Debut 2550.

Also, read through this previous thread for tips on fitting and sizes: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/skates-fitter-advice-for-adult-beginner.103345/.

Good Luck!

thanks so much for your recommendation!!!!

may i ask ur reasoning of why u recommended this boot over some of the other lower level jackson boots like the elle or the artiste or the freestyle that was mentioned previously on this thread?? and also, it may be a silly question, but does the white boot and the equivalent size in the black boot have any differences other than the stiffness?

 

[Diana Delafield]

it may be a silly question, but does the white boot and the equivalent size in the black boot have any differences other than the stiffness?

For one thing, the men's black version of any skate boot is usually more expensive than the white one, sometimes considerably more expensive. There are fewer men in figure skating, so there's not as much demand for the black boots. Smaller batch made means higher cost for the manufacturer, who passes the cost on to the customer. Many shops don't keep them in stock like they do the white ones. They have to be special ordered.

 

[square4]

For one thing, the men's black version of any skate boot is usually more expensive than the white one, sometimes considerably more expensive. There are fewer men in figure skating, so there's not as much demand for the black boots. Smaller batch made means higher cost for the manufacturer, who passes the cost on to the customer. Many shops don't keep them in stock like they do the white ones. They have to be special ordered.

i see! i took a look at the skate shop's website and thankfully they seem to be sold at the same price where i'm at

so i guess there isn't any structural differences (other than stiffness) btwn white and black boots if they are in the equivalent sizes?

 

[tstop4me]

may i ask ur reasoning of why u recommended this boot over some of the other lower level jackson boots like the elle or the artiste or the freestyle that was mentioned previously on this thread??

I'm basing the recommendation on the info in your first post:

... i've been taking my lessons in rentals and i decided i wanted to commit to the sport and buy a new pair! ... my coach just recommended either edea overture or chorus with mk professionals, and i wanted to ask on here before deciding anything!

age: 20

...

From this follows:

(1) Unless you're an extremely rare anomaly, your feet are no longer growing. Therefore we don't need to be concerned with you outgrowing your boots before you wear them out.

(2) You do not plan to be an occasional recreational skater who skates only a few holidays a year. You plan to be a committed skater, take lessons, and skate regularly.

(3) From (1) and (2), we conclude that durability is an important factor.

(4) From discussions with your coach, you have been considering separate Edea boots along with MK Pro blades. I assume you have checked the prices of these boots and blades and can afford them. You're not one of the many beginner skaters who are floored with sticker shock and must resort to a lower-priced kit (boot plus pre-mounted blade) as an alternative to rentals.

(5) Based on the above (and the fact that you do not plan to jump anytime soon), assuming that Jacksons are the right fit for you (to be confirmed), the Debuts (2550 current generation leather ones) are the appropriate choice [ETA: for your weight and height].

I'll respond to your other question (men's vs women's models) later. I answered that in a previous thread; I'll look it up.

 

[tstop4me]

and also, it may be a silly question, but does the white boot and the equivalent size in the black boot have any differences other than the stiffness?

With respect to Jackson separate boots for which there are men's and women's counterpart models:

(1) The men's model is stiffer than the women's model.

(2) The men's model is black, with no crystal adornment. The women's model is white, with crystal adornment.

(3) At least in the US (where I am), the men's model costs more than the women's model.

(4) Sizing designation (length and width) differs for men's and women's models. For stock lengths, there is a straightforward conversion: men's size X = women's [size X + 1.5]. E.g., men's size 8 = women's size 9.5, with the constraint that the maximum length for women's is a size 11 (corresponding to men's size 9.5), whereas the maximum length for men's is a size 13.

The range of stock widths, however, is different between men's and women's. Jackson width designation is messy to explain. A key point is that, although there is overlap in width range between men's and women's, women's are available in a narrower width than men's, and men's are available in a wider width than women's. If it is indeed true that your 'forefoot is quite wide' (needs to be confirmed by measurement) and you want black, then men's might be a good choice for you. But see next bullet.

(5) Where I am in the US, higher-grade men's boots are generally not stocked; they need to be special ordered. Women's boots are more likely to be stocked. But in another thread, a male skater in Australia found a shop that stocked men's Jackson Premieres. If your shop in Hong Kong stocks both men's and women's models, then you're OK. In many US shops, there is a return fee for special orders if you don't buy them; so it gets expensive to special order a bunch of boots to try on. See what the return policy for special orders at your shop in Hong Kong is.

Above, I referred you to another thread in which I discussed fitting tips. It is important that the heels fit properly with the boots straight out of the box, without adjustments. So if at all possible you want to try them on at the store.

 

[tstop4me]

@square4 . Additional info. Jackson separate stock boots come split width, with the heel narrower than the ball. If the difference in width between heel and ball is greater than what a stock boot can accommodate even with heat molding and punching out of the toebox, there are semi-custom and full custom options. Ask your fitter about these options, should the need arise.