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But after Tim did three quads the Russians cried out you must be an all around skater.
They said three quads is not enough to beat such artistry
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But after Tim did three quads the Russians cried out you must be an all around skater.
They said three quads is not enough to beat such artistry
daisuke downgrades was the factor that made him earn the bronze, sadly !IF! he had skated it clean, he for sure could have won
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I think yesterday Evgeni skated beautifulle, better than Torino 2006, and he should have been on the first place. And with that I will quit myself from continuing to watch men's field for the upcoming years, as we enter the quadless decade and hope that some day some reckless, talented skater will appear to push the sport (like in Startrek) "where noone has gone before".
Why do I feel that most quad resenters here are originated from countries tha lack skaters who can perform it?
Why do I sense that last night Evgeni's luck would be somewhat different if his name was different and he came from the American continent?
Why do I feel that if all American skaters could perform the quad, his value would never be underestimated in Vancouver?
Why do I feel that if a European skater won the olympics without the quad, although an American had performed it, this would lead to another huge scandal and to a new scoring system?
ISU and their judges should be ashamed of themselves.
Best regards for the remaining fans!
Why do I feel that most quad resenters here are originated from countries tha lack skaters who can perform it?
Why do I sense that last night Evgeni's luck would be somewhat different if his name was different and he came from the American continent?
Why do I feel that if all American skaters could perform the quad, his value would never be underestimated in Vancouver?
Why do I feel that if a European skater won the olympics without the quad, although an American had performed it, this would lead to another huge scandal and to a new scoring system?
ISU and their judges should be ashamed of themselves.
Best regards for the remaining fans!
To the fan, yes Evgeni skated powerfully and with assurance, but this sport is appreciated by fans, but judged by those who pick apart the performance and score each component, not by national bias, but by a set of rules used for all skaters.........Evan loaded the last half of his routine with jumps and footwork that gave him bonus points. Evgeni didn't. That was the deciding factor, not how many quad jumps were included in the program...........42
In the long program - Daisuke had the highest PCS (and should have) - clean, I think he would have won.
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The protocols are on nbcolympics.com and should be up on the isuresults.com page soon. Basically, Johnny beat Daisuke technically, but lost on the PCS, proving once again that if the judges wish, they can keep you down based on subjective criteria. I still don't see why everyone is always complaining about Johnny's transitions, he got a 7.45 (x2) on them. A lot of the top guys get only slightly better than that (7.65-8.15).
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Olym...cek-won-and-why-judges-don-t-like-Johnny-Weir
What about Johnny Weir?
Within Pacific Coliseum, however, the greater confusion seemed to be over Johnny Weir’s scores. Despite a flawless performance, he finished sixth.
Part of that, he acknowledged, was because “I did a lot of leave-outs,” lowering the difficulty of his routine.
Yet his execution kept him in medal contention. His technical score of 79.67 was 6.19 points higher than that of bronze medalist Daisuke Takahashi.
So how did Weir lose his chance at bronze?
Simply put, the judges didn’t like his routine much. Weir scored 77.10 points in the more subjective program components. Takahashi scored 84.50 – 7.4 points higher.
Weir, at least, took solace from the fact that the crowd disagreed.
“As Lady Gaga would say, ‘I have all my role models out there,’ ” he said afterward. “I may not be the most decorated person in the skating world, but judging by the audience reaction … they go on my journeys with me.”
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He's a chronic flutzer.
I didn't post here yet because I didn't have Internet access during the competition and had to work the whole day after spending most of night in front of the TV. I didn't have vodka as you, folks, but red wine, and I'm still completely finished. And I still am not sure what to think about the competition.
First of all, I am completely heartbroken about Stéphane. Not only because he didn't medal, and not only because I myself think that fourth is the best he could get here, but because it looked like not Stéphane skating there but his ghost. He was so overfocused that everything, not only jumps but also steps and even his spins looked laboured, and, worst of all, one could see that he didn't have the tiniest bit of fun being out there. He couldn't even enjoy his own dancing (I use this word by purpose) what he usually does. He looked so sad in the k&c, it was unbearable.
I couldn't find any comment of himself in the Swiss newspapers today, total silence, but the NZZ wrote that his LP was "good but not overwhelming", which is shattering in itsself because all of his performances I have seen have been overwhelming, though some of them not good. Sigh.
And I wanted Oda on the podium! Is the boy jinxed? Last year the board, this year the shoe lace, what will be next? I agree, though, with those who think he will be worlds champion next month. And he still has his future ahead.
I wanted Stéphane, Oda, Weir and Takahashi being in front and what did I get? They fight for the bronze medal among one another. Taking that as it is, I am fine with Lysacek winning and not Plush. I shudder thinking the future of figure skating the way Plush wants it to be. I am not the biggest of Lysaceks fans but he deserved it. Full package blah. Congrats. Amen.
Sigh. Confused. Heartbroken. More wine.
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I will miss the CDs.
First of all, I am completely heartbroken about Stéphane. Not only because he didn't medal, and not only because I myself think that fourth is the best he could get here, but because it looked like not Stéphane skating there but his ghost. He was so overfocused that everything, not only jumps but also steps and even his spins looked laboured, and, worst of all, one could see that he didn't have the tiniest bit of fun being out there. He couldn't even enjoy his own dancing (I use this word by purpose) what he usually does. He looked so sad in the k&c, it was unbearable.
I couldn't find any comment of himself in the Swiss newspapers today, total silence, but the NZZ wrote that his LP was "good but not overwhelming", which is shattering in itsself because all of his performances I have seen have been overwhelming, though some of them not good. Sigh.
And I wanted Oda on the podium! Is the boy jinxed? Last year the board, this year the shoe lace, what will be next? I agree, though, with those who think he will be worlds champion next month. And he still has his future ahead.
I wanted Stéphane, Oda, Weir and Takahashi being in front and what did I get? They fight for the bronze medal among one another. Taking that as it is, I am fine with Lysacek winning and not Plush. I shudder thinking the future of figure skating the way Plush wants it to be. I am not the biggest of Lysaceks fans but he deserved it. Full package blah. Congrats. Amen.
Sigh. Confused. Heartbroken. More wine.
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I will miss the CDs.
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I liked reading this article and I think the first two paragraphs highlight exactly why so many people are a little disenchanted by Lysacek's performance. Technically (or artistically for that matter), it wasn't courageous, faster, higher or stronger, qualities we look for in our Olympic champions. I saw Shaun White's gold medal win the other day. His first run was a bit cautious. By the time his second run came, he knew he had already won gold, but he still went ahead and attacked the halfpipe as if his life depended on it. He didn't take the easy road out and that's what makes him so immensely loved and popular. He went for it, no holds barred. We see that with Plushenko. I see that quality in Dai. He knew it was a huge risk, but he went for it. He was pushing skating further into the new century, not doing a program that even Paul Wylie raises an eyebrow to. And this is precisely why figure skating (esp. men's) is dismally unpopular in the US. It's bad enough we have an overtanned, preening fancy pants as our number one skater, but he doesn't even have the most difficult maneuvers under his belt. You do have to raise an eyebrow to a program that didn't include a move that was a must-do in the past three Olympics. This type of performance simply won't impress half of the US population.
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1. Just because we, the "North Americans" in this forum, have disagreeing viewpoints does not make us all "quad haters/resenters", "Evgeni resenters", or "North American backwards people". Some of us think it's great for a skater to have a quad or quads in his/her arsenal.
2. Because you probably wanted him to win or felt that he should have won.
3. I could care less. As long as he's an all-around skater, I'm cool with it.
4. Because that's just how you feel. I'd feel happy for and/or congratulate the European skater all the same.
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I just think these people always feel entitled. They think they should win all the time. I mean did in '02 and she was bobbling all over the place. Irina was gifted with silver imo.
It's kind of bittersweet with this whole men's comp so I'm so not a Evan fan but I think there are others who I enjoyed more than Evan and certainly Plushenko yesterday.
It's kind of bittersweet with this whole men's comp so I'm so not a Evan fan but I think there are others who I enjoyed more than Evan and certainly Plushenko yesterday.
Me too. If only he wins with a quadless program instead of Evan...
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Good thing we have Czech Buttle then! He can win with a quadless program in 2014...even though he was doing some pretty sweet quads in practice. Love that kid
!He's a classless sore loser.
I think that if a liked, artistic skater won without a quad, nobody would ever suggest it... I don't remember anybody complaining when Jeff Buttle won over Brian 2 years ago. I wouldn't want the quad to become a necessary element - I believe that a performance like Jeff's should win over a less wholesome performance with a quad. If Jeff skated here as well as he skated at Worlds 2008, I would be more than happy to give him the gold again.
I do remember Joubert being mildly upset about that.
I hope this is a joke. Because even if it is not, it is a hilarious statement. Thanks for the laughter
There, I fixed it for you. You are welcome.
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As a casual observer of figure skating, this is exactly why I was most impressed by the Japanese men last night (loose laces and falls aside). They actually made my pulse race and it was thrilling to watch them go for it, even if the risk might cost them a medal. Takahashi's quad attempt made me jump out of my seat and his bronze medal made sense in my little CoP-ignorant head. Lysacek delivered when it mattered most and it got him the gold; however, forgive me Evan fans, he's like lukewarm water to me: enjoyable but doesn't wake me up. Even Weir I thought was more exciting and created an atmosphere about him that leaves you wanting more. The CoP seems to have failed the skaters and it has also failed for the fans.
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Dai's PCS was 84.50. Evan's PCS was 82.80. They were basically on the same level. Do you call that fair?!
Evan is not an all-around skater, not even close to that description.
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Let me ask you, who do you think deserved first?
