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2014 Olys, Patrick Chan will do two 2As and win the Gold because he has the artistry, footwork and spins. He is such a well-rounded skater!
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Especially when given help by the judges.
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Oh, you Stans are so sensitive. I already called his skating skills exceptional. My hyperbole-maker can only go so high.
As for his performance being emotionally stunning? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? A skate where the skater skates with a blank face, staring mostly at the ice or at the boards, with stiff and awkward upper body movement, to music with flat dynamics and little rhythm is not emotionally stunning. Emotionally stunted, more like.
And I will happily breakdown my PCS for him. I'll give him a 9 for superior skating skills and 8 for very good transitions. Then the gloves come off. Let me break it down:
Performance/Execution criteria: Physical, emotional, and intellectual involvement - 1. I'd give him a Z for Zombie if I could. Carriage - 8. Style and individuality/personality - 1. Good god, can't this go lower? Clarity of movement - 5. It's clear he's not doing much. Variety and contrast - 4. He only gets a 4 because other skaters suck so much more one is forced to grade on a curve. Projection - 3. That gets averaged and rounded up to a 3.75.
Choreography/Composition criteria: Purpose - 1. The purpose is to get people to channel. Proportion - 7. Well, he did throw some difficult jumps near the end. Unity (every step, movement, and element is motivated by the music) - 1. He could've been skating to Plushenko's music for all he was doing. Utilization of Personal and Public Space - 6. I'll be generous and say he wasn't trying to sell his program in any one direction (because he wasn't selling it at all). Pattern and Ice Coverage - 8. Phrasing and Form - 4. There were phrases in that soupy music? He only gets a 4 because of how much other skaters suck. Originality of Purpose, Movement, and Design - 3. Constructing a program where a skater checks off the elements to the blandest music possible isn't original, but I'll elevate the marks a bit because it leverages Kozuka's relatively unique skating skills. Averaging to a 4.25.
Interpretation criteria: Effortless Movements in Time to the Music (Timing) - 5. The effortless movement was there, but there was no rhythm to interpret. If this was a free dance, the music might've been disqualified. Expression of the music’s style, character, and rhythm - 3. Since his body language is as bland as the music, I'll raise this from a 1 to 3. Use of finesse to reflect the nuances of music - 4. Tough one to score. With music that has so little going on, what nuances are there to reflect? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and pretend his stroking is to some imagined beat in the music. This averages out to a rather generous 4.
This gives him a factored PCS of 58 from me. Much lower than what he got from the judges. Of course, I'd also give most of the higher ranked skaters lower marks, I don't believe in reputation judging. But in particular, Kozuka suffers gravely from his choice of music. Listless music inspires listless choreography which inspires listless skating which inspires listless scores. This one was a huge step back from his Take 5 program.
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Nah, in just a few minutes we'll forget all about Chan and Plushenko, and get on with the Dom/Shabs versus Virtue/Moir wuzrobbin'. --- all as a prelude to the Mighty-Mao's against the Yunatics. :agree:
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He did have it planned.... If you go to vancouver2010.com and look at the figure skating results, they show what was planned and what was executed...his opening jump combination was supposed to be 4T+3T+2Lo, but he left it out.
Other skaters left out third jumps in combinations as well... Takashashi left his 2Lo out of his 3Lz+2T combo. Johnny Weir actually upped his difficulty and did 3Lz+3T instead of his planned 3Lz+2T after missing the 3T on the end of his 3A.
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Imagine we're going to bear the 'artistry' of this brat for the next four years! Worst, we're going to see this guy claim multiple gold medals at worlds for the next 4 years by giving judges one splatfest after another! S&P were so ridiculous and laughable commenting on Chan's scores yesterday. When the other Canadian commentators seemed taken back by his 'unexpected' marks, these two claimed Chan deserved every point.
It's interesting that S&P seemed to be so 'upset' over D&D's higher scores than L&H, whom they happened to put together.
It's also interesting in recent days S&P started to lash out at CoP, saying they were so confused and nobody in figure skating community understood and wanted it. Howeve, these two were extremely enthusiastic about CoP at 2006 Olys while commenting for NBC.
What a bunch of crap, both Chan and S&P!!!
It's interesting that S&P seemed to be so 'upset' over D&D's higher scores than L&H, whom they happened to put together.
It's also interesting in recent days S&P started to lash out at CoP, saying they were so confused and nobody in figure skating community understood and wanted it. Howeve, these two were extremely enthusiastic about CoP at 2006 Olys while commenting for NBC.
What a bunch of crap, both Chan and S&P!!!
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Yah but he also said Plushy should have won...that any junior skater could have done Evans skate. Thats ridiculous.
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Nothing reveals the bald nationalism like people who align Patrick Chan's placement here with S/P's placement in 2002. In both cases, performances with far superior skating skills and intricacy, but some visible flubs, were ranked over performances that looked perfect and crowd-pleasing but had less substance. The difference is, a Canadian benefited in one case, and a Canadian team suffered in the other. However, if you disagree with the ranking in both cases, what are you for, then? That Canadians should always be ranked lower? I rofl at thee.
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I loved Takahashi's program! It was simply beautiful even with the fall on the quad! He took a risk!
Evan i must say, deserved the gold since he really put 2 COP mastered programs! That is the COP, it measures all elements! After all figure skating is not figure jumping. It has spins , intricate footwork etc. That was Evan's edge, he and his team mastered the COP through the years and know how to make up points to win!
Plushy was cocky, his skate made me think it was a really close call! Surely he did the quad-toe but the flow out of his jumps were shaky, he didn't have the spins and footwork made for the COP!
Kozuka was simply stunning! Simply lovely skate! Chan was cool
Weir was really undermarked! He deserved 4th in my rule book or a maximum bronze for his skate! He was exquisite! His skating is sadly not the cup of tea of the judges.
Poor Oda, of all places to have this problem....he was amazing nonetheless
Evan i must say, deserved the gold since he really put 2 COP mastered programs! That is the COP, it measures all elements! After all figure skating is not figure jumping. It has spins , intricate footwork etc. That was Evan's edge, he and his team mastered the COP through the years and know how to make up points to win!
Plushy was cocky, his skate made me think it was a really close call! Surely he did the quad-toe but the flow out of his jumps were shaky, he didn't have the spins and footwork made for the COP!
Kozuka was simply stunning! Simply lovely skate! Chan was cool
Weir was really undermarked! He deserved 4th in my rule book or a maximum bronze for his skate! He was exquisite! His skating is sadly not the cup of tea of the judges.
Poor Oda, of all places to have this problem....he was amazing nonetheless
Oh, thank you so much mot. That's really great news!! I'm so relieved that I will be able to see him perform again. I would love to be able to see him skate live like I did a few years ago at Skate America, when he introduced his Swan Lake program. That was some good stuff!! Good times, good times.
I wonder if he is going to attend Skate America 2010. If Skate America is on the East Coast this year, I might just have to attend just to see him again. He's a really great guy. I met him at the 2007 Skate America very briefly. I waited outside in the cold for well over an hour to see him and Patrick Chan after they won their medals there. They both were selected for drug tests so it took a while for them both to come out of the arena. Patrick Chan was really nice and kind of surprised that people were waiting to see him. Very humble then. He was just coming to his own and I think he was only 16 at the time. And then Daisuke came out. Japanese cameramen/media descended upon him. I was kind of shocked how the Japanese media followed him around like that. Man, figure skating is a really big deal in Japan, not like in the US where many sports writers treat the sport as a joke. So anyway, my friend and I started talking to Daisuke and were telling him how much we enjoyed his skating. I think he understood us, but I could tell that there was a little language barrier. He seemed really cool though.
I fell in love with his skating the first time I saw him perform live at the 2005 Skate America in Atlantic City. I was like who is this guy. I had never heard of him before that event. Funny story. My friend and I just by happenstance encountered Dick Button and Terry Gannon at some Starbucks on the boardwalk. This was the morning after the short program. I asked Dick/Terry "who is this Japanese guy? He's really good!" Dick/Terry both said that he was a good skater.
I know I'm rambling a little bit, but I think it would be great if I could see him once again for the last time. I hope that he can get his quad back and once again skate at the level where he was during the 2007-2008 season. As you can probably tell, he's my favorite male skater right now.
I hope that the Japanese media/skating world aren't crucifying him for winning a bronze. I don't know for a fact, but I can make an educated guess that the Japanese really had high expectations that he would get gold. I hope that they aren't too disappointed in him and that he gets a warm homecoming after these Olympics.
With all the talk about Plushenko and Lysaceck, I can comfort myself that Takahashi still has the best free skate/total competition score and so far no one has been able to take it away from him...
Evan Lysacek skated the cleaner, better designed program and his skating was superior to Plushenkos in every respect. One quad does not make a program and trump everything else, nor should it. As Frank Carroll said, this sport isn't called "figure jumping" but "figure skating." (God I love that man). Evan absolutely deserved the gold medal. I am very happy for him and most especially, Frank Carroll. In my opinion, he is the greatest coach who has ever worked in figure skating and one of its finest people.
Johnny Wier skated a gorgeous program. I was so happy for him. He was terribly underscored. Yes, he didn't have the transitions other skaters had but the quality of his skating is breathtaking. I hope he knows how proud we are of him and how many fans he has. I was so glad the crowd booed the judges for a joke of a score for him. YOU GO CANADA!!!
Daiske did a fantastic job as well. he should be very happy.
I feel terribly sorry for Jeremy Abbott who is something very special in this sport. I hope he can bounce back from this at Worlds.
Johnny Wier skated a gorgeous program. I was so happy for him. He was terribly underscored. Yes, he didn't have the transitions other skaters had but the quality of his skating is breathtaking. I hope he knows how proud we are of him and how many fans he has. I was so glad the crowd booed the judges for a joke of a score for him. YOU GO CANADA!!!
Daiske did a fantastic job as well. he should be very happy.
I feel terribly sorry for Jeremy Abbott who is something very special in this sport. I hope he can bounce back from this at Worlds.
Spot On!!
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Wow, I couldn't even make it though this thread it makes me so angry.
Why so much hatred against Evan? I'm surprised at how venomus some of these posts are. Its one thing to be upset or sad that your favorite didn't win, but wow.
Evan is a wonderful skater and deserved his victory fair and square. I am over the moon happy that he won and in fact didn't even realize how much I wanted him to win until just before he took the ice for his short on Tuesday. I actually screamed when I found out he won! (and woke my poor husband
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I had kind of pulled away from Men's skating just before the Torino games, but Evan slowly brought me back with his passion and his dynamic skating. I have gained so much respect for him over the past year, and it has just grown even more in the time between Nationals and now. He has been nothing but gracious and appreciative of his competitiors. I am so proud of him.
WAY TO GO EVAN!
oh and P.S. I happen to love the feathers AND the black
Why so much hatred against Evan? I'm surprised at how venomus some of these posts are. Its one thing to be upset or sad that your favorite didn't win, but wow.
Evan is a wonderful skater and deserved his victory fair and square. I am over the moon happy that he won and in fact didn't even realize how much I wanted him to win until just before he took the ice for his short on Tuesday. I actually screamed when I found out he won! (and woke my poor husband
)I had kind of pulled away from Men's skating just before the Torino games, but Evan slowly brought me back with his passion and his dynamic skating. I have gained so much respect for him over the past year, and it has just grown even more in the time between Nationals and now. He has been nothing but gracious and appreciative of his competitiors. I am so proud of him.
WAY TO GO EVAN!
oh and P.S. I happen to love the feathers AND the black
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"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!" :scowl:
What a crybaby! Too bad 2 silvers and a gold aren't enough for him. :disapp:
Nah, in just a few minutes we'll forget all about Chan and Plushenko, and get on with the Dom/Shabs versus Virtue/Moir wuzrobbin'. --- all as a prelude to the Mighty-Mao's against the Yunatics. :agree:
what would figure skating be without controversy
It's good to see that these skaters will continue on despite their age, following in Evgeni's footsteps. But I really wonder how many will stay in for the long haul. Talk is one thing, actually competing is another. Evgeni managed to do it, with luck & a lots of hard work, but I wonder how many of the others will do so. The reality says not many, due to unforeseen injury, operations, sheer will & determination of the mind.
On that note, does any know who will be going to Worlds? Evgeni is in top shape, so I hope he goes, as well as Lysacek, Daisuke, Lambiel, Chan, Weir, Joubert, et al.
On that note, does any know who will be going to Worlds? Evgeni is in top shape, so I hope he goes, as well as Lysacek, Daisuke, Lambiel, Chan, Weir, Joubert, et al.
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Does anyone have to a link to where Plushenko said he was beaten by a woman when referring to Lysacek? I could have sworn I read it somewhere...
