About Tim Goebel and his three quads...In the preliminary version of the CoP that they were working on during the "interim" judging system in the 2002-22003 season, the ISU went back and re-scored the men's Olympic free skate as a test case.
Goebel won over Yagudin. This was obviously wrong, so they re-worked the scoring system, giving greater weight to PCSs, to make sure that in the new system a mere quad jumper like Goebel could not win over an all-around skater like Yagudin.
After Buttle won the world championship in 2008 over quad-man Joubert, the ISU decided they better raise the value of a quad from 9.0 to 9.8 points.
I agree with Oxade. Next year the ISU will raise it again, thus "saving men's figure skating" once more.
:lol: Of course if Yagudin was competiting under IJS, he would have done that second triple axel. I think the problem is the math. I actually like the idea of people being able to move up and forward. But I also think that judging the parts doesn't always tell the story.
I've always said that I felt 2007 GPF mens was an example of the problems with COP-in both the short and long.
In the short program Lambiel did a 4/3 and a 3axel. But he didn't get the greatest GOE because his landings where shaky. In ended up with second in the short program to Daisuke. Daisuke definetly had the better short program artistically. And he did get high GOE for his gorgeous 3flip/3toe, and his gorgeous 3axel. But its not like Lambiel isn't great at presentation himself, and I felt like because Lambiel did a 4/3 (even if it was shaky) he deserved the lead for taking that risk.
We had the opposite scenario in the long. In this case Lambiel had a better program than Daisuke. Love his creative Flamengo. But Lambiel's two quads were messed up, so was his triple axel and one of his 3/3s wasn't clean too. He did have a 3/3 though. In contrast, Daisuke landed a quad and 2 triple axels and went clean. His only mistake and it did cost him was doubling his second quad toe which meant he couldn't do a 3/3. However, considering all the jumps he landed and the fact that he is a very complete skater. I thought it was ridiculous that Lambiel ended up winning that competition. The sad and scary thing is their TES were almost tied!
I remember some people said that Tarasova in the commentary both commented and was like I understand Lambiel getting higher PCS, but Daisuke landed 2 triple axels and a clean quad and Lambiel didn't land any of those cleanly. And Daisuke was hardly a Tim Goebel.
I'm fairly convinced that if GPF had been scored under 6.0. Lambiel would have won the short, and Daisuke would have won the long and the competition. Sometimes things can't be done by math and you actually need to look at the problems as a whole and evaluate what the skaters did in relation to each other. However, I think that if they are going to raise the value of the quad etc, they need to insist on rules about hitting skaters hard for messy programs.
Maybe what they needed to do and I know it sounds unfair but find away to show the judges what PCS they can give to a skater to give them the win overall. So the judges can actually ask themselves does so and so deserve to win or does so and so. It may sound completely unfair, but I actually think it would be better for the sport.
