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It's an embarrassing result for Olympics
I don't really disagree. Nothing to do with a Kazakh winning, for me, though. Everything to do with how awful the event was, and how we ended up with a winner who was the worst possibility of the seven men who could have potentially won OGM here (Cha, Siao Him Fa, Grassl, Malinin, Kagiyama, Sato, Shaidorov). It's just bad for the sport.

Gummenik was never realistic, and I wish the people who think he "was robbed" would stop thinking so.
 
What is that? Trolling? There are skaters who lost more points to the winner than Malinin.

Only if you consider NBC an organization of trolls.

"The 21-year-old from Virginia lost 72 points due to a handful of uncharacteristic mistakes in the stunning display. His quadruple axel turned into a single, his quadruple loop turned into a double and he fell on his quadruple lutz."

 
It's just bad for the sport.
Ehhh, if you go back to the archives and other sources for Sochi, people were bewailing that the free skate then would be utterly damning and mark a massive decline in in the men's discipline. And instead the winner and the guy who came fourth went on to pretty much preside over one of the most brilliant and memorable quads in recent history.

Do I think that will happen here? No. And I don't think it would happen had Malinin won. But predicting gloom and doom based on a perfectly likable and appealing small fed underdog taking the laurels from someone annoyingly pre-annointed (even if it was due to problem skates here there and everywhere)... nope. If gloom and doom comes, it has more to do with the pre-annointing and other officialdom messes.

(Is this me being Pollyanna-ish? Oh no...)
 
I guess Shaidorov's free skate will not become a beloved staple people come back to when they want to watch the greatest Olympic programs in history.

Same as some other winners I guess. Who rewatches Ilia Kulik except for staring at the giraffe?
I don't t think even many US hardliners can subject themselves to rewatching Lysacek.

Shaidorov won fair and square. He landed all his jumps well, he didn't feel tentative and his music certainly wasn't boring.
 
Ehhh, if you go back to the archives and other sources for Sochi, people were bewailing that the free skate then would be utterly damning and mark a massive decline in in the men's discipline. And instead the winner and the guy who came fourth went on to pretty much preside over one of the most brilliant and memorable quads in recent history.
It was. We were lucky to have good quality skaters remaining still after Sochi, but the scoring very much did start going awry after it. Just four years later, it did get caught up into a steep downward spiral. Quads were already affecting skating too much in 2014 with the expectation that two quads and two triple axels are a must to win, just (most) skaters doing them made sure to jump them huge so they ended up having impact in the quadrennial after that. The LP timing was still longer, so skaters could afford to jump more with that slight bit of resting time. Even if you say the effects of this will only start with 2030 - that's not a good thing.

Sochi also wasn't as bad as this Olympics. We still had a skater who'd won the GPF win overall and he had fantastic jumping quality usually (and showed he had performance chops with his first world medal). A person with legendary skating skating skills finished second. Ten and Takahashi had strong presentation. Fernandez to me was the weak link there, but he still did so many transitions and constant movement in his programs back then that he deserved quite a lot of credit. Most importantly, the most talented overall skater still won! So people emulated him, instead of others. Notice how someone like Jin, who went on to fuel the quad revolution, names him as inspiration, and happens to be one of the few here who jumped properly despite being severely broken down.

None of the men here display the skating qualities of Hanyu or Fernandez or Ten or Chan or Takahashi - not in basic skating, not in spins, not in jump quality, not in transitions. Kagiyama really only comes close to Chan on basic skating, and Cha and Siao Him Fa really only come close on presentation to any of them (and to me are worse than all of them). Not one of these men has particularly big jumps. All of them apart from Malinin have less than ideal technique. All of them are bogged down by much worse rules. Shaidorov also happens to be the OGM since the IJS began to have pre-rotated jumps (Plushenko's 3F and 3Lz weren't ideal later in his career, but the rest of his jumps were big and done properly).

How exactly does one expect this won't affect the sport in any way?
 
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If I may add something to that- as someone who wasn't watching since then but has checked past competition and scoring results- as well as the narratives that used to be brought up etc. etc.
It wasn't the Sochi men's event that started this; it was the ladies. You had questionable judging before, but I feel like that moment in the IJS era was pivotal to how the next gen of skaters as well as their coaches approached technique, approached basic skating in general.
Bad technique used to get dinged- didn't Hanyu used to get (!) marks on his flip at times? You wouldn't see that nowadays I feel like unless the technical panel really doesn't care.

Quad, quad, quad revolution . 2014-2022 was all about quads and 3As; recently rewatched the JGPF 2019 and the commentators were not talking about anything else.

I think that the main thing over the next few years will be if the athletes themselves are willing to change their approach no matter how they do competitively- Mao Asada had the integrity to keep working on her Lutz edge towards the end of her career.
If the federation is willing to gloss over a skaters issues in favour of politicking- the coach will also let them keep going at it.
 
How exactly does one expect this won't affect the sport in any way?
It all depends entirely on two things now:
1. Malinin. Whether or not he will be back. He is a current WC with history making result of 7 quads FS including 4A, which alone is a new tech step up, proving that a man can jump more than 4 rotations.
2. Russians l. Whether or not they are back to compete. Russian National in Men has been the most exciting competition for the entire Olympic quad, with high level of difficulty, various style programs, extremely tense competition with absolutely unpredictable result. Anyone could win/medal.
If two things don't happen, then it will be like you described.
 
1. Malinin. Whether or not he will be back. He is a current WC with history making result of 7 quads FS including 4A, which alone is a new tech step up, proving that a man can jump more than 4 rotations.
Malinin would be better than most others here, especially if he focuses on improving his skating, but overquadding his programs is decidedly not the way to do so. Nor is going for questionable quints.

2. Russians l. Whether or not they are back to compete. Russian National in Men has been the most exciting competition for the entire Olympic quad, with high level of difficulty, various style programs, extremely tense competition with absolutely unpredictable result. Anyone could win/medal.
No Russian man I've seen skating currently really possesses the potential to improve men's skating.
 
I hope it's all right to put this graph up, it did come from another forum but via twitter and I just thought it showed oh so graphically how menningly they menned...
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That's a personal Malinin failure.

It's supposed to be. Look, we're not going to teach you how to score. That's on you to learn. No one cares about any previous person from any previous Olympics. It plays no role in the points he left on the table. This thread is for this event only.
 
It's supposed to be. Look, we're not going to teach you how to score. That's on you to learn. No one cares about any previous person from any previous Olympics. It plays no role in the points he left on the table. This thread is for this event only.
Yep. And the event was bad.
 
For me, the event merely separated the wheat from the chaff. Battles are frequently won or lost before the skate ever hits the ice: superior state of mind, superior result.
But how do you know that the result was superior if you don't compare it to other results? No Olympics exist in vacuum. They are and always compared to each other and other competitions. What we got in Milan was the worse Men Olympic event in the history.
 
But how do you know that the result was superior if you don't compare it to other results? No Olympics exist in vacuum. They are and always compared to each other and other competitions. What we got in Milan was the worse Men Olympic event in the history.

Unlike yourself, I enjoyed the wild ride.
 
For that matter, the ice was too soft. Several skaters were not happy about it. Malinin was asked about it but said only that it was the same for everyone and refused to use it to excuse himself.

Check out the amount of snow the guys in the last group were throwing on spins. That isn't normal.

And it affects the quality of the whole event.

Kudos to Misha for dealing with it!!
 
For that matter, the ice was too soft. Several skaters were not happy about it. Malinin was asked about it but said only that it was the same for everyone and refused to use it to excuse himself.

Check out the amount of snow the guys in the last group were throwing on spins. That isn't normal.

And it affects the quality of the whole event.

Kudos to Misha for dealing with it!!
Other men were able to deal with it fine other than Shaidorov in that final group, like Cha. I get using the ice as an explanation, but most of the men in that group are inconsistent.

Malinin blamed his performance on not being selected for Beijing. It wasn't just in the heat of the moment in the kiss and cry, it was also with an interview with CBC reporters. He's trying to find his own explanation for what happened, but others were able to do fine on their first Olympics. Others didn't on their second Olympics.

He'll probably have that 'what if' for the rest of his life, but it it may not have helped him here either if he had gone. It was the moment he'd spent the last four years working towards and it didn't go as planned.
 
For me, the event merely separated the wheat from the chaff. Battles are frequently won or lost before the skate ever hits the ice: superior state of mind, superior result.
Ouch!

That's very harsh. We've all seen great performances from all of the top-ranked men. State of mind is tricky and fragile even for the toughest competitors. That's true for all sports, not only figure skating.
 
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