What If We Do Have A Reputation Mark?

[Mathman]

well I lost 3-4 kilos from not eating the next days, became blue from crying and broke like 3 glasses of water...

Well at least now I can joke about it. World is coming back to its place.

Ah, the resiliency of youth.

It took me three years to get over Michelle Kwan losing in 1998. Then, just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water -- oh no, 2002!

I used to be totally opposed to the reputation scoring idea until I started going to events live. The top skaters have an "aura" about them, for lack of a better word that just makes everything they do seem much more elegant and confident. ... How the skater carries him/herself, who they are...the way the audience hold its breath when they compete...

That was Michelle at U.S. Nationals year after year. It was like she was saying to her competitors, "I'm Michelle Kwan. You're not. Explain to me again why you're out here on the ice?"

But the all-time king is Plushenko. When he strikes his opening pose it's like he is saying to the other guys, "Watch and learn, my children."

 

[jennylovskt]

You know the saying, "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger."

I think you are in debt to Olympic champion Evan Lysacek for he has truly made you stronger.

Oh, I have plenty of ways to strengthen me. I really don't need this in the first place.

Now what can we do to make you wiser? :think:

You've been pissed me off with your numerous posts in the last a few months. Believe me, it has made me a lot wiser.

But the all-time king is Plushenko.

Any of these kinds of compliments to him, especially from you, would make me feel a lot better ...... ah, actually a lot worse. ... no, a lot better. I don't know.

 

[seniorita]

Ah, the resiliency of youth.

ah it is not youth mathman , it is that I behaved like an ostrich, and I hid my head in the sand for some days. Like it never happened sort of thing. By the time I took it out, the Olys ended
Did it happen to you that after the 2002 shock, you could watch competitions more free and you were just happy to watch her skate?I m sort of in this place now.
And I second jenny, whenever you say something nice for Plushy, it doesn't matter if you like his skate / programs or not, when it comes from you it is like a rainbow after the storm.

 

[janetfan]

I don't understand where the talk about "I don't care where I place, any medal would be good, even 4th place" went. Or fans who said they were just so happy that a skater was returning from retirement.

Apparently the skater didn't mean what he said and some of his fans wanted nothing less than the OGM. A silver medal is not the end of the world especially for an older skater battling injury problems.

I was happy to see Sasha compete again and enjoyed her SP alot. Her LP did not turn out so well but I was still happy she tried and even Michelle said she was pulling for Sasha. My gosh, even Kwanford Wife was supportive of Sasha's comeback.

So Sasha fell short but it is not the end of the world, only the end of her thread here

All things considered I think Plushy added to his legacy. Maybe some are upset but in time his three Olympic medals will be a record of achievement that probably won't be matched again. Button has his legacy and Plushy certainly has his own legacy too.

Maybe it is hard to move on but skaters retire and new skaters emerge. I am lucky because I have become a big fan of Mirai. For the last four years I have been looking back and dreaming of
Michelle and Sasha to comeback and be young again. But time marches on and skaters we have loved can't last forever.

Maybe Plushy will surprise everyone from his doctors to his fans and continue skating - or after a break return and skate in Sochi in 2014. It seems impossible but how can anyone count him out?

 

[Mathman]

Did it happen to you that after the 2002 shock, you could watch competitions more free and you were just happy to watch her skate?

Well, not exactly. It was more like, I'll never watch skating again and I will punish everyone by never posting on Golden Skate again. (16,000 posts later...)

But I wasn't the worst. We had a very active member back then who, though she was American, was a big Irina Slutskaya fan. When Sarah Hughes won in 2002, she left Golden Skate and demanded that we remove every post she had ever made, and forbid any future posters from mentioning her name. And if we didn't, she would sue us. (She was a lawyer.)

Unfortunately for us she had very commonly occurring first and last names, so for a long time if a poster tried to write one of these names, referring to someone else with the same first or last name, it came out like a bad word, *****.

All of this shows that everything that happens is the fault of Golden Skate and thus Golden Skate rules the figure skating universe.

(Oh wait, I didn't mean to say that GS rules FSU....But yeah. )

Anyway, I didn't get my joy of skating back until the next fall. Skate America happened to be in my home town (Spokane, the skating capital of the USA ), and I was home visiting my mother. So somehow we had two all-event tickets to share among the five of us, so I drew the lucky straw to go to the ladies' short program with my sister (sorry Mom). Here is Michelle's performance. I was back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4w4Az9YU88

Edited to add: By the way, Michelle did not finish behind her music. The music dies to a whisper for a few bars at the end, and with the noise in the arena you can't hear it on the video. (Also her Lutz edge is fine, so there is no point going over it in slow motion. Who gave her a 5.6, anyway!? I want names!!!!! )

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

There seems to be a NEGATIVEReputation as well, as in Skate Dance. I think that the Jitterbug couple was way off course when Torvill and Dean skated in the same competition. I suppose it was the Jitterbuggers turn to win gold. The next-in-line does seem to get it in Skate Dance. So it went on and on. Poor undermarked Lange/Tschernychev,

Nowadays, we will never see The Kerrs, Faiella/Scalli, Novarro/Bommentre, They missed improving their reputations despite their excellent skating. I believe Rubleva/Sheffer"s reputation will grow very soon.

I wouldn't worry about the Reputation score. It's already included in the final score. It's one of those sublime 'attention' scores as are many other subtle add-ons, but not visible.

 

[snowflake]

I will punish everyone by never posting on Golden Skate again. (16,000 posts later...)

 

[jennylovskt]

Well, not exactly. It was more like, I'll never watch skating again and I will punish everyone by never posting on Golden Skate again. (16,000 posts later...)

Thanks, MM!

It won't work for me because nobody would care. So I choose to stay. Can't leave GS all to Evan bandwagoners.(I mean mostly, at least for now.)

 

[seniorita]

Well, not exactly. It was more like, I'll never watch skating again and I will punish everyone by never posting on Golden Skate again. (16,000 posts later...)

well that was my first thought also. Plus I will hold my breath until I turn red- blue - purple and they change the outcome. Of course I was happy he came back and was just at Olys again, but for me the shock was not why he didnt win the gold medal, but how he lost it. I dont wish it to anyone who has not a fav skater, but a sentimental favorite. But i havent entered myself in any discussions of speculations, so I leave it here. If he had placed 10th I would have taken it much better at that time.
The aftermath was worse than competition. But I wouldn't discuss that either. Now i m in my happy cloud again.

But I wasn't the worst. We had a very active member back then who, though she was American, was a big Irina Slutskaya fan. When Sarah Hughes won in 2002, she left Golden Skate and demanded that we remove every post she had ever made, and forbid any future posters from mentioning her name. And if we didn't, she would sue us. (She was a lawyer.)

!!!!!oh god i feel much better now knowing there were worst cases of fandom!
really guys, you should write a book about the legends of GS. And it rules fsu by the way:agree:

Who gave her a 5.6, anyway!? I want names!!!!!

was mr Inman the judge there?:think:

I love that Michelle dress by the way!

 

[jennylovskt]

well that was my first thought also. Plus I will hold my breath until I turn red- blue - purple and they change the outcome.

Imagine that cute picture.

 

[museksk8r]

I've been thinking what if we do have a reputation mark going into a major competition such as the Worlds or the Olympics? We would have avoided the tragic results like Tara Lipinski won over Michelle Kwan, or Sarah Hughes won over Irina Slutskaya.

I think when a skater gets to the point where he/she routinely beats a skater who is considered more favorable by the judging panel, then he/she does begin to build positive reputation with the judging panel. We saw this during the 1996-1997 season with Tara Lipinski when she started routinely coming out on top over Michelle Kwan and winning the 1997/1998 Champion Series Final in Kwan's absence due to injury heading into the Olympics, we saw it during the 2000-2001 season when Sarah Hughes started routinely coming out on top over Maria Butyrskaya and when she outplaced both Irina Slutskaya and Michelle Kwan at the 2001 Skate Canada, thus building her reputation with the judges heading into the Olympics. We've also seen it more recently between Joannie Rochette and Mao Asada and now they are pretty much considered equals by an international judging panel in terms of their scoring. Showing a strong level of consistency and besting a favored competitor certainly helps a skater's marks and reputation with the judges.

 

[mishieru07]

I totally disagree. Isn't "reputation judging" what FS (particularly dance under 6.0) has been trying to rid itself of for years? (Well at least on paper that is). :sheesh:

It's sport. It's just that cruel; if you screw up, too bad. Life is like that in many aspects; take for example the A level examinations. I have seniors who gained entry into Oxford on condition of 3As. In the end, they "screwed" up by getting 2 As and 2 Bs. They've been absolutely brilliant all along, straight As in school prelims. Does Oxford care? No. It's do-or-die.

I'm never a fan of reputation judging in any sport. It's as bad as match-fixing to me. Sports has always been a question of who does the best in SAID competition. I want to see skaters rewarded for what they present on the ice, not what they are capable of presenting. You could be the No 1 in the world or a lower-ranked skater but if you splat, you splat = docking on appropriate aspects of PCS, like PE. Reputation judging has already robbed many of medals and not just in FS. You could probably argue that Bessonova wuzrobbed of Ribbon gold in the 2009 RG WC. Now, I love both Kanaeva and Bessonova but the judging is just . Anna was screwed on reputation imo.

FS is finally shedding its image as a pre-determined sport where the judges might as well mail out the medals ahead of the competition. It simply does not make sense to allow for reputation judging imo. Not when sports is about who's the best in the competition. It is not a case of who is the most consistent competitor. Reputation judging is also disadvantageous for younger skaters, which I vehemently oppose. My take has always been if the young'uns have it, for God's sake, reward them for it (I like COP for this reason). Imagine, depending on how much "reputation judging" counts, we could well have B/A and D/S x 2 over V/M and D/W at the Vancouver Games! How would that come across to casual viewers, when two clearly superior teams lose out?

But anyway, has there been a sport that "legalizes" reputation judging? Like those who have a track record have a definite advantage going in? (Eg point cushion, time advantage). Also, I'm somewhat curious about your "reputation judging" system; is it a purely mathematical thing based on say the ISU rankings? And by how much should it constitute the final score under COP and 6.0? W.r.t to returning/ injured skaters, how is it possible to accurately "predict" where they'd be in the current pack for someone who is inconsistent, like S/S's fluke performance at TEB?

 

[katha]

I completely agree that slotting skaters into some pre-arranged boxes before they even skate is not and should never be the way to go. And sadly sometimes it has happened in the past and does still happen. But I would say that sometimes things that people outside of FS have perceived as "reputation judging" was/is just skaters being marked appropriately for their level of skating. For example, a Yu-Na with 1,2 mistakes is still better than a skater in the middle of the pack who stays clean. There's always griping about the never-changing ice dance standings, but there are less mistakes there so the judges more or less know beforehand how they view each team if they skate clean. The comparatively little movement in that discipline always made sense to me, at least to some degree.

All the same, dance is where "reputation judging" is still most visible IMO. And I don't mean that necessarily in an evil way. More like at the Oscars where actors who are "due" sometimes get awarded even though there may have been a better performance that year. I would say that, for example, D/W's good showing at Worlds 2009 translated into the judges giving them really high marks during the GP series without hesitation. So they missed out on a Worlds medal but earned the goodwill of the judges. At least that's how I saw it. And then they kept that goodwill by constantly delivering great performances. Should it work that way? Perhaps not, but I don't see how you can totally prevent it as long as you have humans deciding the outcome.