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Also, as I keep on saying, eventually nobody will bother to learn both new Jump inside or New Jump outside edge. Why should your skater show case both New Jump Outside Edge and New Jump Inside edge, when doing New Jump inside edge costs them points? No they will just do new Jump Outside edge.
Well, I do not have an answer to the objection that the Newjump rule would result in fewer Lutz attempts by ladies. Very likely it would.
gkelly said:And the question isn't really should the ISU have separate scoring systems for men and women, but rather, should the same scoring system use different point values for some elements for men and women…
Brian Boitano in his day had some huge clean triple lutzes with spread eagle entry and arm overhead in the air, the best of which should deserve +3 GOE in the current scoring system. Under today's rules, if all judges agreed, they'd be worth 9.0 points -- this change would cap their score at 8.5?
That was really the kind of question that I would like to bring to the fore. True, the lady skater who can do a Lutz like Brian Boitano would get only 8.5 points for her effort – now show me that lady so I can make amends.
In a sport like gymnastics, men and women are expected to demonstrate quite different skills.
In golf, the only difference is slightly shorter tee placements
What about figure skating? My favorite lady did two Lutzes and a flip in every program in her amazing amateur career. Her Lutzes were iffy, sometimes OK, sometimes wandering off a little to the wrong edge. A few ladies did (and do) a more creditable job of managing to keep a reasonable facsimile of an outside edge all the way to take-off. But I have never seen a lady do a triple Lutz like a man: that short but distinct-to-the-naked-eye deep curving edge heading out the wrong way, then that sudden explosive pop into the air like he is being shot from a cannon.
Maybe a triple Lutz is a better element for a man, and the rules should encourage a lady to substitute, say, a Charlotte. We don’t really want to see a man trying this.
On another thread, started by Joesitz, we discussed the fact that a camel spin is a man’s spin and a layback is a lady’s. Another example of a man’s element is a Russian slpit jump. There is just something high-spirited Cossack ruffian about it.
(Here is the high-spirited Cossack bargirl joining in the fun. )
But in general ladies should do their split jumps in scissors position. (Just my opinion.)
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