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How much should U.S. Nationals count for World team selection?

American skaters have even said the pressure and desire to be national champion - for them - is greater than Worlds. Johnny Weir and Evan Lysacek both stated over the years that they wanted the national title more.

So it's not just the fans that hold it up as the grand poobah of skating.

That is plain silly, to put all your eggs into the Nationals basket. I know it gives you the ticket to the worlds, but that is all to it.
They don't look at the large picture. Yagudin was constantly losing the russian nationals to Plushy. So what ?

Is he an Olympic champ and 4 time WC? Yes, he is. One of the greatest by the way.
 
American skaters have even said the pressure and desire to be national champion - for them - is greater than Worlds. Johnny Weir and Evan Lysacek both stated over the years that they wanted the national title more.

So it's not just the fans that hold it up as the grand poobah of skating.
I was about to say, neither of those two ever won a Worlds, but then an extremely happy Evan gloated over his Oly win.
 
P.S. Why bring in how other countries do it? Seriously, I'm baffled. NONE of them have the tradition & long-standing history of USA Nationals. This is O-U-R prestigious event, not theirs. I honestly don't care what/whom/or how they decide whatever, means nothing to me, the only one I care about & can remember is U-S-A Nationals.
 
That is plain silly, to put all your eggs into the Nationals basket. I know it gives you the ticket to the worlds, but that is all to it.
They don't look at the large picture. Yagudin was constantly losing the russian nationals to Plushy. So what ?

But he was constantly qualifying for the world team.

As Weir found out in 2009, or, say, Eldredge in 1993, you can't go to Nationals and count on past history to hold you on the world team if you don't deliver at Nationals.
 
P.S. Why bring in how other countries do it? Seriously, I'm baffled. NONE of them have the tradition & long-standing history of USA Nationals. This is O-U-R prestigious event, not theirs. I honestly don't care what/whom/or how they decide whatever, means nothing to me, the only one I care about & can remember is U-S-A Nationals.

This is a typical American attitude - don't care, don't want to know, and DON'T KNOW much of anything outside of America.:rolleye:
 
Hey Bluebonnet, or whatever your real name is, yes, I am an American, you have a problem with that? And this thread specifically asks "How much should U.S. Nationals count for World team selection?" Therefore that's why I'm posting on this thread. Duh.

I don't go over to any of the other countries and try to tell them how they should run their selection process because a.) I don't have the right, and b.) I don't care. :D

Back on topic,

GOOOOOOOOOOOO USA NATIONALS!!!!!!!!!! :)
 
This is a typical American attitude - don't care, don't want to know, and DON'T KNOW much of anything outside of America.:rolleye:

Maybe you could start a thread on Russian Natls - or wherever it is you come from.
This thread is about USA Natls, thankyou.

As Toni mentioned many American skaters have said how much the Natl title means to them.
Evan was clearly upset about not winning last season. Perhaps you didn't notice but Evan won Worlds, then the GPF and then the Olympics. The only major title he could not win in that time was US Natls.

Why is that? How could he beat the World and win the OGM and not win Natls?
It is more competitive than you can imagine and the skaters know how much is on the line when they compete at Natls.

The idea of changing that would be a colossal blunder in my opinion.
 
Hey Bluebonnet, or whatever your real name is, yes, I am an American, you have a problem with that? And this thread specifically asks "How much should U.S. Nationals count for World team selection?" Therefore that's why I'm posting on this thread. Duh.

I don't go over to any of the other countries and try to tell them how they should run their selection process because a.) I don't have the right, and b.) I don't care. :D

Back on topic,

GOOOOOOOOOOOO USA NATIONALS!!!!!!!!!! :)

No, you are mistaken, obviously. I don't have problem with you are an American. What I'm not comfortable with is the self-centered, arrogant attitude that some Americans like you have just displayed in your posts. If you have the right to show your arrogance, I have the right to show my disliking it.
 
...Ashley turned down the chance to compete at Jr Worlds last season. She also passed up a chance to skate at 4CC where her chance to medal would have been good.

What does US Skating make of Ashley declining not one but two Intl events last season?...

And might this impact her chances in the future when US Skating finds itself with a close decision about who to send to an event?

This is a great question, maybe worthy of a separate discussion.

My impression is that USFS is more interested in supporting its skaters than in dictating to them. It also seems to me that USFS is aware that its main responsibility has nothing to do with major championships at all, but rather with organizing and regulating figure skating as a participatory and recreational sport for its 170,000 members, from learn-to-skate programs on up. If you hang out at any one of the 700 skating clubs in the U.S. you will hear a lot more discussion about next week's basic skills test or the coming club show, than about who is going to make the team for Worlds.

Also, in the case of Ashley, I think the Federation routinely offers top skaters an opportunity to skate in events if they have earned the invitation, but that they expect that many times the skater will decline. In any case, this opens up opportunities for someone else to get her foot in the door.

Still, there is the question of whether a skater can end up in USFS's dog house, and whether or not they are "punished" for not towing the party line. A lot of people think the federation has it in for Johnny Weir because he talks too much and doesn't follow the USFS script. Weir thinks this himself. Personally, I do not see any visible evidence of this supposed animosity. (Although, there was the time that Johnny cleaned Lysacek's clock at Nationals, but the judges declared it a tie, with the tie-breaker going to Evan.;) )

On the other hand, can you get favors be being a good little USFS soldier? Michelle Kwan did everything the Federation asked of her. Including the time (2002) she came out of semi-retirement at the request of the Federation to save Skate America when all the scheduled big names withdrew.

Three years later, she called in her favors. Would the Federation have been so eager to give her a free pass to the 2006 Olympics if she had been a "bad girl?"

Or maybe they just said, "This old grey mare has been carrying us on her back for ten years, let's give her one last trip to the feed bag before we put her out to pasture -- did anyone remember to call NBC and tell them to get the cameras ready?" :)
 
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I was about to say, neither of those two ever won a Worlds, but then an extremely happy Evan gloated over his Oly win.

Evan Lysacek is also the 2009 World Champion. And I don't recall him "gloating" he was actually pretty gracious considering the Plushy PR fiasco that followed with the Platinum medal "controversy.":disapp:
 
I love that Nadine has this "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [object of discussion]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" trademark.
 
That is plain silly, to put all your eggs into the Nationals basket. I know it gives you the ticket to the worlds, but that is all to it.
They don't look at the large picture.

It's not silly, it's just a different tradition.

Just like, Americans don't care a thing about the World Cup in soccer. Why not? No special reason, they just don't.

They care even less about the World Championship of figure skating.

But U.S. Nationals has always had a little place in our hearts. Not as much as the Indianapolis 500 (car racing) or the Kentucky Derby (horse racing), but still...
 
But U.S. Nationals has always had a little place in our hearts. Not as much as the Indianapolis 500 (car racing) or the Kentucky Derby (horse racing), but still...

it's because it's "ours" and so it's not international politics, we can pretend that there's no backroom dealing because there's not every country hoping to come out on top. (and when I say "we" I mean the audience, not the diehard fans who actually know what goes on in all aspects of skating... or at least think we know lol)

That's why we like the Superbowl, the Indy 500, the "World" Series... it's because it's considered "All-American" no matter who wins, the Americans win... :laugh:

It's kinda like Alaskans with the Iditarod (you all think skating has a small fanbase, try mushing! yikes!) it's "our" race. We let other states and countries send their people but we don't get half as excited when one of "them" win. It's all about the Alaskan mushers. It doesn't mean the other guys are bad, it just doesn't have the same feeling when it's not a fellow Alaskan. It's that sense of hometown pride.
 
I think the strongest countries should be allowed to send 5 skaters to Worlds. Weak developing countries should need to send their skaters to qualifying events to cut down the # of frankly useless skaters in a World event.
 
Jana, I knew it. I was there in Hollywood. I just wanted to connect he and Johnny. I know they both stood out of a Worlds but not at the same time.
 
As Toni mentioned many American skaters have said how much the Natl title means to them.
I presume you never skated. The anxiety of placing in the Nationals is the gateway to the Worlds which is where they want to be. Who wouldn't want to place at Nationals if that is the only method to get there?

The idea of changing that would be a colossal blunder in my opinion.
That is an understatement. we're quite aware of that. :)
 
I think the strongest countries should be allowed to send 5 skaters to Worlds. Weak developing countries should need to send their skaters to qualifying events to cut down the # of frankly useless skaters in a World event.
Interesting thought, but that is exclusively in the domain of the ISU. A good topic, though. I would allow all the skaters at Worlds if they fall within the top 16 ranked by the ISU.
 
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