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ISU Where Will Worlds BE (formerly) JAPAN QUAKE FOR WORLDS

It seems pretty clear at this point that all the ISU cares about are whatever dollars the JSF guaranteed them for Worlds. It's just disgusting. Cinquanta's comments in the latest Hersh interview 1) make no sense; 2) show he has no backbone whatsoever; and 3) once again, show a shocking lack of regard for the skaters themselves and their interests. It just makes me so angry. I wish there was some way to fire him and the whole ISU council. They are screwing this up hugely. They can't make a decision, can't get the story straight between them and the JSF, can't even issue a decent press release, for heaven's sake. And these people are in charge of the sport we love. :-(
 
At this point, any thought of Japan's being able to host a large-scale event of any kind is unrealistic. Even the Japanese won't want to be in Japan. May God help them all.
 
Q. If it were only your decision what would you do? Cancel or October?

A. I don't know. It depends on the reaction of the Japanese federation, which I am waiting for."
(http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...tay-in-japan-sees-october-as-best-option.html)

ROFL. Wow I didn't know ISU's decision depended entirely upon the JSF's reaction!!!

At least, the ISU president seems to have no interests in hearsay "offers" from some countries. It was confirmed that he had requested the JSF to host WC in October, and the JSF decided to do their best to make it happen. Any "offers" without financial guarantee is useless. The revenue from WC is supporting all of the ISU's organization and competition managements. They just can't waste the chance so cheaply.
 
Okay. I need to understand just what happened here.

a) The season is over
b) Worlds will be held before next season's GP season starts, hopefully in early October, because Skate America starts the GP season sometime in mid October.
c) Due to this, there's a good chance we'll see GP events being postponed/cancelled. That would be fair.
d) Does the October Worlds determine GP slots/seeds?
e) If GPs are cancelled, the GPF would likely be cancelled as well.

NMURA, you're right - they can't waste the chance of guaranteed revenue so cheaply. You're wrong, however, to suggest their actions do anything to avoid that.

Oh well. They can do things correctly now to help minimize the impact this will have on the athletes (minimal changes to scoring; spread apart the events to help minimize travelling, etc) but this maneuver could destablize the sport until Sochi.
 
I personally do not see an October Worlds as a big catastrophe. (A big catastrophe is having your house fall on you in an earthquake, then being swept out to sea by a tsunami, then being blown up by a nuclear explosion.) The skaters will adapt, and those who adapt best will have an leg up on those who don't.

Some skaters will retire or skip 2011 Worlds for other reasons. This is a shame for those skaters and an opportunity for others. Some skaters will do 2011 worlds and skip the Grand Prix. Some will go full steam ahead. Some will prepare new programs over the summer, others will go with their programs from the previous year. Someone may win a medal in October who wouldn't have won one in March, and vice versa.

I do not really feel very sorry for a top skater who has to decide whether to make money doing a show in September or stay home and practice his routines. Life is full of choices. Be glad you have a choice.
 
It's pretty clear what happened. Cinquanta feels he/the ISU is beholden to the JSF, and the JSF is completely deluding itself into thinking they will be able to hold this competition in October. Speedy has always been a thorn in the side of figure skating...and if he could figure out an alternative way to fund his precious speed skating, he'd not only cancel the World Figure Skating Championships, he'd also just cancel figure skating, period.

I am now officially aghast and disgusted with the JSF. The right thing to do by this past Tuesday, when it was getting pretty apparent that the power company was downplaying how serious and out-of-control things really are, was for the JSF to step up and withdraw from hosting for the rest of the year. I am pretty confident there will end up being no WC in Japan in October.

This is all about money, not about skating.
 
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I may be playing the devil's advocate, but money side of things are important and should not be disregarded. It may sounds selfish but at the moment the JSF benefits significantly from the popularity of figure skating in Japan and they need it. Money generated from the Worlds will be part distributed to a number of skaters, not only a handful of those who will be skating at the Worlds and some others you ever hear about, but novices, juniors, future hopefuls, AND BOTH SHORT AND LONG TRACK SPEED SKATERS TOO. It will be used not only on athletes, but supporting coaches, lobbying the ISU and the national government, organising training camps, etc, etc. Money is needed to support the future of skating in Japan. If money JSF has already spent cannot be recouped at least and they ended up loosing a significant amount of money, it'd be the athletes, especially those who do not have private sponsors, i.e., most of Japanese skaters will be the ones who would loose out. And the effect could last some time. It is understandable if JSF is trying to protect them.

For example, Yuzuru Hanyu lives in Sendai, and whose home rink is, I heard, badly damaged by the earthquake - so JSF may need money to support him continue skating elsewhere. Historically, JSF helped financially our world champions, Daisuke Takahashi and Shizuka Arakawa, who were not from very affluent family, to be trained abroad.

When figure skating was not bringing in any money to the fed and speed skaters were national heroes in Japan back in the days, the money made by speed skating was used to find and train the next generation of figure skaters systematically. Without speed skaters contribution, we may not have had the current crop of Japanese top figure skaters. Now the situation's turned round, figure skating is supporting speed skating, I believe.

Please note I am not outright supporting the Worlds in Tokyo in October, actually I too think the idea is bonkers, but am trying to understand why JSF appears so desperate to hang onto the possibility of holding the Worlds in Japan. It takes vast amount and wide range of considerations to run an organisation, which is responsible for the continuing success of the sport in the country. We do not have enough knowledge and information to understand fully how they do it. But it is easy to guess the finance (or financial health of the organisation) must be near the top of the priority list.

This is a very Japan-centred point of view, and of course, it is the ISU who have to take much more broad view on the issue and hopefully they will come up with the most sensible decision which benefits all the athletes (not only figure skaters but all athletes whose interests they are meant to look after) and federations fairly.
 
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This is absolutely ridiculous! How will this impact the SD for next season? Does it mean we get to see the Golden Waltz for a whole season yet again? It wouldn't work to have 2 SD at the same time. Why doesn't JSF get Worlds at the next earliest open opportunity, and give even a reduced Worlds to someone else this year? If we have to wait until May or June, that would be enough time to schedule a Worlds event for the athletes! It would still give athletes some time to prepare for the next year's programs. I'm pretty confident that there are some global companies in the world who would be willing to help sponsor in a pinch for the sake of the athletes, under the circumstances. It would be great for their reputations for sure. Lots of exposure. Maybe ISU wouldn't make as much money as they normally would, but perhaps they are going to lose anyway. Japan has better things to spend its money on than skating sponsorships. There is no guarantee that Japan will be ready in October. The best thing to do for the athletes is to hold the competition somewhere other than Japan this year.
 
For Japanese skating fans in Japan. I am Japanese living in US. Please spread the truth about nuclear plant below.This is the official report from the chairman of Nuclear Energy commission, published today on New York Times

アメリカでは、日本政府が真実を隠していると、怒っています。

これは、米国の各原子力委員会の会長グレゴリージャクッコーさんの米国議会への正式レポートです。
http://www.nytimes.com/

日本と決定的に違う点は、第4炉の年使用済みプールは完全に干上がっていて空気にさらされた燃料から多量の放射線が発せられている。このため近くに地被くのが非常に困難であり、手が付けられない状態。

アメリカのリコメンデーションは50マイル以上離れること。
日本の皆様、本当に私も アメリカから見ていて、、胸がつぶれる想いです。
安全に避難が出来ますように、祈っています。
 
I personally do not see an October Worlds as a big catastrophe. (A big catastrophe is having your house fall on you in an earthquake, then being swept out to sea by a tsunami, then being blown up by a nuclear explosion.) The skaters will adapt, and those who adapt best will have an leg up on those who don't.

Of course there are always worse catastrophes. Even what's happening in Japan now isn't as bad as any other number of disasters. It should never be a competition about who's suffering the most.

The decision to delay Worlds and hold out for Japan to hold it isn't a catastrophe, it's just a bad decision:

1) It's unfair. Is it the greatest unfairness in the history of the world? No. But that doesn't mean it should be accepted and overlooked. That argument could be applied to almost any bit of unfairness that ever happened in figure skating.

2) There's a high chance Japan won't be able to host Worlds even in October.

3) We have multiple confirmed reports of well funded organizations offering to host Worlds sooner, so it's not inevitable that we delay the World Championships.

4) Japan already hosted Worlds in Tokyo in 2007 (in fact no other city in recent history has repeated World hosting duties in such a close interval). It's not like it's long overdue to host the WC in Japan.
 
Genki, I hope your friends and loved ones in Japan are safe (if anyone there can be considered safe right now). It strikes me that though we argue back and forth about whether skaters will do the Golden Waltz two years in a row, deep down we would all give anything for this tangled situation in figure skating to be Japan's worst problem. This week we are in a world that none of us would choose to inhabit, and we want our good old chaotic planet back, where the air was made up of things like oxygen.

I have a suspicion that whatever the JSF and ISU decide this week will be changed and modified many times as the situation proceeds. No one has an instruction manual or a rule book for a cataclysmic event like this. I think Mot makes some good points about the need for the JSF and the ISU to think of money and commerce, but I fear that things are out of their hands.
 
For Japanese skating fans in Japan. I am Japanese living in US. Please spread the truth about nuclear plant below.This is the official report from the chairman of Nuclear Energy commission, published today on New York Times

アメリカでは、日本政府が真実を隠していると、怒っています。

これは、米国の各原子力委員会の会長グレゴリージャクッコーさんの米国議会への正式レポートです。
http://www.nytimes.com/

日本と決定的に違う点は、第4炉の年使用済みプールは完全に干上がっていて空気にさらされた燃料から多量の放射線が発せられている。このため近くに地被くのが非常に困難であり、手が付けられない状態。

アメリカのリコメンデーションは50マイル以上離れること。
日本の皆様、本当に私も アメリカから見ていて、、胸がつぶれる想いです。
安全に避難が出来ますように、祈っています。

See this map for levels of radiation detected in Japan as of 3/15 (Ibaraki monitoring station read 3448nGy/h before Government took it down)
http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv131/electroweak/japwarn4.jpg

ETA: also this website could help: http://www.houshasen-pref-ibaraki.jp/present/result01.html

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=4870

https://uloadr.com/u/ZE.png
 
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After taking a brief respite from the craziness of skating I saw the title of this article by Philip Hersh (http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...world-figure-skating-tokyo-october-japan.html) and fell on the ground laughing. :rofl:

Upon catching my breath, I read the article and concur, I feel like Alice in Wonderland watching the Mad Hatter Party. :biggrin:

Okay, enough levity, it's time for Mr. Cinquanta to grow a pair of balls and call the whole thing off, which means standing up to the JSF and telling them "no".

I don't know about anybody else, but this puts the JSF in a bad light in my eyes, as well as the ISU. All about $$$$ & greed. So what you lost a bundle of money on this, disaster happens, that's life. You take your losses and move forward. At least be thankful that you have your life and didn't lose your home, et al, like many Japanese have. Reschedule it for the exact location, time, locale, venue next year. *Not* this year, especially not in the Fall! :eek:

Of course taking into account that Japan doesn't sink into the sea during the interim or have its residents evacuated to nearby countries (worse case scenario I know, but that's part of this Mad Hatter Party). (;^)

Otherwise this just gets more & more & more ridiculous and absurd, as well as covered in disgust, leastways mine.

And that's all I have to say about that (taking a cue from Forrest Gump). :D
 
At least, the ISU president seems to have no interests in hearsay "offers" from some countries. It was confirmed that he had requested the JSF to host WC in October, and the JSF decided to do their best to make it happen. Any "offers" without financial guarantee is useless. The revenue from WC is supporting all of the ISU's organization and competition managements. They just can't waste the chance so cheaply.

So, you agree with me that Speedy's decision was hugely influenced by "money" over the "safety" of the skaters, right? Does money justify risking these skater's safety?

Btw, why are offers from other countries considered "hearsay"??

U.S., Russia offer sites for figure skating worlds this spring
"Russia and the United States now have joined the festivities by offering alternate sites for the event that was supposed to begin Monday in Tokyo but has been postponed indefinitely because of conditions in Japan following last Friday's earthquake and tsunami.
According to allsportinfo.ru, the Russian Minister of Sport has written the International Skating Union to propose the event go to Moscow ``in the very near future.''
``Yes, it will be difficult, hard, expensive,'' Yuri Nagornykh, the vice-minister of sport, was quoted as saying in the allsport story. ``But we felt it was right to (give) the ISU a friendly shoulder.''

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...es-for-figure-skating-worlds-this-spring.html



There you go.
 
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What's unfair about it? Miki Ando might have to prepare two different short programs next year? Rachael Flatt might have to put off college for another semester? Everyone is in the same boat.

I'm not tearing my hair here.

Just because it's unfair to ALL the skaters doesn't make it better. And unfairness here isn't that some skaters will be favored over others, it is that pocketbooks of the ISU and possibly the JSF are being favored over the skaters. And as I keep saying, it's profits that's very likely to never materialize. So those pocketbooks are being favored for nothing.

And let me clarify about why I don't think Worlds can be held in Japan even in October so I don't come off as random fearmongering: I think one or more total meltdowns of fuel rods in the reactor or in the relatively exposed spent fuel pool are inevitable at this point. If it's in the reactor, its design has a reasonable chance of containing the worst of the radiation leak. If it's the pools, that could be dicier but there might be ways to prevent the radioactive material from spreading too far (I don't know what, been researching it, but I'm sure there's something...). When all is said and done I think and hope the only people in real danger from radiation will be the heroes on the scene. But no one can be totally sure of that for a good long while. There could be more leakage, destabilization of whatever measure they take to contain the radiation, the mere possibility of which will spur many countries to maintain travel advisories to all of Japan for months. It will make Worlds unfeasible in Japan.

So if it's very likely not going to happen in Japan anyway, why not have it somewhere else sooner?
 
So if it's very likely not going to happen in Japan anyway, why not have it somewhere else sooner?

Maybe they are in this denial mode. All the reporters and nuclear experts from the U.S. and Europe are criticizing Japanese governments for being
so secretive about this nuclear plant meltdown... At least they were in the beginning. The Japanese government kept saying everything was just fine, and now people are escaping Tokyo. How classic. So probably many people in Japan still think that the situation is not that bad yet. But I just can't see how it couldn't be "not bad" when over 5 nuclear plants are slowly falling apart and exploding... I hope some miracle happens and everything will be fine...
 
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