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ISU Where Will Worlds BE (formerly) JAPAN QUAKE FOR WORLDS

I agree, Math. I like Hernando's idea of a "splintered" Worlds very much. These days with electronic connections, it's just one step away from a virtual Worlds. It's just offbeat enough to succeed. Though imagine a coach who has two skaters of different disciplines!

I disagree with the feasibility of this concept. It's the opposite of the economy of scale. It takes extra resources in every aspect of organizing this event yet offering less satisfying experiences and difficulties for skaters, coaches, federation officials, and fans.

And how can Speedy split himself to be honored at every venue?
 
I disagree with the feasibility of this concept. It's the opposite of the economy of scale. It takes extra resources in every aspect of organizing this event yet offering less satisfying experiences and difficulties for skaters, coaches, federation officials, and fans.

And how can Speedy split himself to be honored at every venue?

I did suggest the events be staggered , like the Men skate in a month, maybe the Pairs the following week, etc. If the Ladies and Men were separated by a week or more it could help someone like Tom Z who has Racahel and Ryan.

It was just an idea and actually I was interested in hearing what problems it would pose. Apparently more than few.
But since Worlds is currently on hold I offered my two cents.
 
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Just thinking about the travel and accomodation costs, time, and health concerns of coaches, medical personnel and federation officials who need to accompany skaters to each splinter events at various venues is enough to chill them all at the idea.
 
My sister and I were bantering this split competition idea back and forth a few days ago..but if it can all be done in one place in a reasonable time, that would be preferable. A split WC wouldn't necessarily be less costly ( or manageable ), but could work if there wasn't a large enough venue available. Allowing the athletes to compete is the prime objective , and everything else is secondary, tertiary , on down the list. (e.g... If the medallists just got to stand on the podium and had to wait a few months for their actual medals , I don't think they would complain)

Money is going to be lost.

The thing is , the ISU is not supposed to exist to turn a profit , it's supposed to exist for the benefit of the skaters, and to support and foster the sport. It's their responsibility to hold the Championships if at all possible. I doubt if a loss in one year would mean the end of their existence . So if they are presented with a workable plan that would be less likely to disrupt the skaters' training, it's incumbent on them to accept it , rather than wait until more of those secondary elements can fall into place.
 
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I disagree with the feasibility of this concept. It's the opposite of the economy of scale. It takes extra resources...

No, no, we can do it on a shoestring. Have the ice dance event in Detroit. Most of the top teams are already here, and it saves wear and tear on Shpilband and Zoueva jetting here ahd there.

Plus, if there is a shortage of hotel rooms, Mrs. MM and I can put up a couple of teams at our house. Charlie White and Alex Shibutani can squeeze someone else into their U of M dorm room (Tanith will move to a nearby hotel paid for by NBC, while she is commentatng). :yes:

Go Weaver and Poje!
 
colleen o'neill, don't be surprised at how profitable most non-profit organizations are. They pay salaries, fees, perks and junkets and are often associated with or own marketing companies that pay salaries, commissions, fees, perks and junkets and make profits.

In a no frill Worlds, the first frills to be cut should be on the administrative level.

Or Mathman can be in charge of organizing the events, particularly in skaters' sleeping arranagements.
 
The truly ingenious face disbelief, ridicules, and even ostracism instead of support and facilitation to bring their ideas to fruition.

On the other hand, by working on a goofy anti-gravity pen, the researchers might have discovered anti-gravity!

That's why we should always support scientific research. (Except the current billions that we are currently wasting on that dead-end, string theory. :) )
 
That's why we should always support scientific research. (Except the current billions that we are currently wasting on that dead-end, string theory. :) )

If we learn how to push string, maybe we can get the ISU going!

But it's pulling string that is being focused on right now.
 
:biggrin: Skatefiguring..That non-profits can be quite profitable, in one way or another..doesn't surprise me in the least. It's just that if you ask them their raison d'etre, profit is never mentioned. So if they have to selflessly fulfil their purpose on occasion , setting profit aside, I say " Ready..set...pare down that administration ! "

ETA..Mathman..Wowza ! Classy partner.
 
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I can not believe any future plans of the 2011 Worlds will take place without serious thoughts about the Skaters who will compete. While it is nice to think about the wishes of the TV fans of figure skating, the bottom line, they are not competitors. The LIVE fans may or may not attend.

LIVE fans have the means to travel (money and time) and after their loss in Tokyo, will they travel again whenever a venue is set?

Local spectators are composed of town people who attend as a social event and enjoy the competition. And in many cases, the afternoon events are subsidized for the local children to attend.

Much depends on how popular the sport is in a given town to bring in the die hard fans.

I believe in Russia as ideal to fill the stadium.

I don't believe Split competitions will get the crowds in the stadium, but for a one night stand, it may,. but it will only be locals. How many?

The TV fans will see competitions without ever having to worry about them. In this case, the ISU is scheduled to make a decision either Monday or Tuesday.
 
Colleen, one way an organization qualifies to be non-profit is to spend all their income so there is no "profit" to show. They get used to the level of spending and are unwilling to cut down for fear of creating precedence and expectation so they would have difficulties in justifying the high expenditure again. They don't want to be found out to be able to operate at a lower cost. Therefore any spending they have to cut will not come out of their "administration" budget but at the expense of events they organize and other participants including their raison d'etre - people or causes they are supposed to serve and foster.

The same logic and process apply to governments. That's why services to the least powerful will be cut first and the politicians' own positions and salaries the last to be (negatively) affected if ever. The biggest departments of governments and companies will always attempt to at least maintain the status quo if not grabbing more power.

Having a huge Department of "Defense" guarantees perpetual wars.

And Speedy doesn't want to be speedy at getting things done. God forbid people might demand the same efficiency in the future.

eta. I understand there are probably reasons the organizers (ISU and JSF) have to go through certain motion and precedures. But that is a different point and does not invalidate my therory. :p
 
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I don't think politics will bring in more to the box office, and Governments vary in subsidies. The bottom line is how popular the Sport is.

Again, we should be hearing more from the ISU, either tomorrow or tuesday. If it is not to the liking of the TV fans (which I am too), at least we will know what the status of the 2011 Worlds is. The next step and the most important one, is it compatible with the Skaters?
 
Skatefiguring...you're harshing my buzz..;) I hear what you're saying, I know I can't change it ( well, I signed the petition, anyway) , but that won't stop me railing against it. :biggrin:
 
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^^^ Hey, being "wise to the world" ;), or "cynical" and "jaded" when applying to others :biggrin:, never harshes my own buzz.

I was one of the first to sign the petition and suggested that eyria start a new thread with it to get attention.
 
you're harshing my buzz..;)

! I love this board. Every day I learn something new.

OK, so I looked up harshing my buzz. The on-line dictionary said, "See 'harshing my mellow,' 'harshing my groove,' 'harshing my vibe.'" :cool:

I can not believe any future plans of the 2011 Worlds will take place without serious thoughts about the Skaters who will compete.

I think that is the exact issue that has everyone upset. The ISU does not seem to be taking the skaters into account at all.

Certainly none of Mr. Cinquanta's comments and announcements so far have said anything about doing what's best for the competitors.
 
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:laugh: Skatefiguring..Funny, how that works... ( buzz harshing , I mean )

I know this..We may know more Monday , or Tuesday , (or not )..and we may just get another interview with Speedy.

Every time Speedy comes out with some logically bizarre or pompous pontification, I see him as he was the time the cameras panned to him in the stands and caught him picking his nose ( was it Torino ?). Sadly it's never made it onto YouTube ,or it would be a perfect time to share it..;).. but it's seared into my memory for refererence.
 
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