ISU Where Will Worlds BE (formerly) JAPAN QUAKE FOR WORLDS

[janetfan]

There are 8 countries bidding to host. This speaks well of the goodwill of the member federations, or the desirability of hosting the Event, or both.

Do you know which 8 countries/federations are offering to host?

 

[Sylvia]

"Offering to host" is not the same as submitting an official bid.

 

[janetfan]

"Offering to host" is not the same as submitting an official bid.

OK, do you know which 8 countries are submitting bids to ISU?

 

[Sylvia]

Only Russia and Finland so far, based on what I've read.

 

[Violet Bliss]

I suspect official bids are from those with an understanding with and invitation from the ISU after some unofficial discussions.

 

[russell30]

Now the ISU has a bigger problem, the locality, timing, legalties, skaters.

How many skaters will go? and will we lose the bigger names to shows?, can they get out of the agreement :think:

It's a mess

This is when the ISU should step in, amateurs should not do shows and be loyal to ISU, if they want to do shows, they should turn pro and give up their status:scowl:

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Agreed. Hernando, there was massive amounts of speculation about Canada, Italy, USA, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, S. Korea, China, Finland and Russia.

Bin Yao ruled out China: no possibility of profit. Skate Canada ruled out Canada instantly: David Dore (the guy who helmed the Vancouver Worlds) said that it would be too difficult and the SC CEO made it clear that Canada wouldn't be giving up the 2013 Worlds (money's already been spent towards it, etc).

Sweden and Switzerland were never really on the table; nor was Germany or S. Korea. The individual federations of the countries came out and said they weren't familiar with any bids and weren't going to submit any. Italy was out because Cinquatta felt it would look like favouritism to award Italy two seasons in a row (which I have to admit is rather ironic).

So it's down to the USA (Lake Placid or Colorado Springs), Finland (late breaker) or Russia. Each has their advantages/disadvantages.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Now the ISU has a bigger problem, the locality, timing, legalties, skaters.

How many skaters will go? and will we lose the bigger names to shows?, can they get out of the agreement :think:

It's a mess

This is when the ISU should step in, amateurs should not do shows and be loyal to ISU, if they want to do shows, they should turn pro and give up their status:scowl:

1. I suspect most skaters will have escape clauses in their contracts. In most cases, it's beneficial to the shows to have these skaters be successful at Worlds. Sure, two time-US Champion Alissa Czisny is awesome, but you know who's better? Two time US Champion and World Silver medalist Alissa Czisny. World Champion Patrick Chan/Davis and White beats out (two time) silver medalist Patrick Chan/Davis and White. In general, the skaters want to skate at Worlds. They will do everything in their power to ensure that can happen.

2. Skaters are not part of the ISU. Federations are part of the ISU. Loyalty isn't the question. Fairness is.

 

[janetfan]

Agreed. Hernando, there was massive amounts of speculation about Canada, Italy, USA, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, S. Korea, China, Finland and Russia.

Bin Yao ruled out China: no possibility of profit. Skate Canada ruled out Canada instantly: David Dore (the guy who helmed the Vancouver Worlds) said that it would be too difficult and the SC CEO made it clear that Canada wouldn't be giving up the 2013 Worlds (money's already been spent towards it, etc).

Sweden and Switzerland were never really on the table; nor was Germany or S. Korea. The individual federations of the countries came out and said they weren't familiar with any bids and weren't going to submit any. Italy was out because Cinquatta felt it would look like favouritism to award Italy two seasons in a row (which I have to admit is rather ironic).

So it's down to the USA (Lake Placid or Colorado Springs), Finland (late breaker) or Russia. Each has their advantages/disadvantages.

Yes, that sounds much more realistic and is atleast what we have read.

Russia and Finland may submit official bids tomorrow or sometime this week. As of this moment Idon't believe any official bids have been placed.

Most likey ISU would not accept official bids until Japan bowed out.

 

[Mathman]

FSU member Finnice posted the requirements that the ISU expects prospective hosts to respond to by tomorrow. (Finnice seems to be in the know in Finnish skating circles.)

1, Available dates during April/May starting, if possible, with the week of April 2011 onwards

2. Available ice rink/ arena with minimum 8000 seats available from Thursday early morning through Sunday late evening (so 11 days)

3. Availability of practice rink from Friday early morning through Friday late evening of the following week.

4. Availability of about 700 hotel rooms.[

5. A TV production for the entire event and availability of the signal free of charge to ISU and its TV right holders.

http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3117729&postcount=809

 

[Sylvia]

Associated/Canadian Press newswire article: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ca...qM5iK6oChhawjgclnMxnf7uHEnENc7A?docId=6317096

ISU president Ottavio Cinquanta told The Associated Press on Monday that he has asked members capable of hosting the world championships in late April or early May to send in their offers by Tuesday, and the ISU council will then vote Wednesday or Thursday.

Cinquanta said he is hoping to have "at least three or four" candidates, and "possibly as many as seven or eight."

"We'll see what comes in and then we hope to have an announcement by Friday," he said. "We're trying to move as quickly as possible. We gave Japan as much time as we could, but unfortunately the situation there is very serious and we've had to move on. But our thoughts are still with Japan."

Phil Hersh's latest: http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...-skating-in-japan-alternate-hosts-sought.html

*Those interested in taking over the event must meet several key conditions, including:

1. Available dates in April or May beginning ``if possible'' with the week of April 18.

2. A main arena with a MINIMUM of 8,000 seats. That would apparently rule out one of the two arenas U.S. Figure Skating proposed (Lake Placid) when it wrote the ISU last week to express interest in the possibility of taking over the event. The other proposed site, Colorado Springs, barely meets the minimum.

I learned from USFS this morning that they are aware of the minimum but intend to stick with the option of both sites and will submit the formal application by Tuesday.

3. 700 hotel rooms, which would possibility rule out either U.S. site, although U.S. Figure Skating would have covered some of the housing with dormitory rooms at the U.S. Olympic training centers in Lake Placid and Colorado Springs.

4. And, the big ticket ($2 million?) item, putting up the TV production and signal ``free of charge'' to the ISU and its TV rights holders.

So add the U.S. to the "will bid" list.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

ISU Council members are listed on this page: http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/p...161657-178872-20148-73966-custom-item,00.html

They appear to have more power these days and can make certain decisions without going through the voting of the ISU Congress (held every 2 years).

Thank you Sylvia and MM regarding the makeup of the ISU Council. Apparently with their power, we will not get a Worlds next week as so many TV fans want. Sad for those fans who need a quick fix. There is nothing to do until the Council makes an announcement through Cinquanta. Also it appears that Bidding has to be submitted to the Council and not just an intent to hold the competition.

Unless some poster knows more about the countries who have submitted a Bid to hold the Worlds 2011, we are sure there is Russia and Finland. Any other BIDS, not just willingness without a Bid would be appreciated. Then the BIDs have to be reviewed by the Council and a selection will be made. Have no idea how much time that takes.

 

[blue dog]

Here's a US arena that is virtually empty from April 9 - May 8:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_View_Casino_Center

I hate its name, it seats over 12K, and is five minutes from our airport. I believe it hosted US Nationals in 1981, when Elaine Zayak won.

Then again, the skaters may be tired of having another Worlds in Southern California.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Unless some poster knows more about the countries who have submitted a Bid to hold the Worlds 2011, we are sure there is Russia and Finland. Any other BIDS, not just willingness without a Bid would be appreciated. Then the BIDs have to be reviewed by the Council and a selection will be made. Have no idea how much time that takes.

Bids need to be submitted by Tuesday evening, Swiss time. The ISU hopes to have an answer by Friday. The goal is to have a Worlds within the next month, but by early May at the latest.

 

[russell30]

I think it should got to Europe, I am fed up with it going to either North America or Asia. (I want to watch it Live and in GMT)

So come on Russia, Malmo, Helsinki, Lausanne you can do it

Sorry I know it was in Torino last year (that normally happens in olympic year, previous olympic nation host)

But 2010 Olympics Canada
2009 Worlds USA
2007 Tokyo

We only had 2008 thanks to Gothenberg

 

[janetfan]

I think it should got to Europe, I am fed up with it going to either North America or Asia.

So come on Russia, Malmo, Helsinki, Lausanne you can do it

Sorry I know it was in Torino last year (that normally happens in olympic year, previous olympic nation host)

But 2010 Olympics Canada
2009 Worlds USA
2007 Tokyo

We only had 2008 thanks to Gothenberg

If Worlds goes to Europe it would mean 5 of the last eight have been held in Europe.
Dortmund, Moscow, Gothenberg, Torino and possibley another Euro site for 2011.

I don't care where it goes but I don't see Europe as being short changed recently.
Plus next year it will be in Nice.

ETA: Moscow had Worlds in 2005 and USA had them in 2009.
So if I could vote it would be for Helsinki, and Laura would also be healthy and able to skate.

 

[Sylvia]

Phil Hersh interviewed Cinquanta again today: ISU president: World figure skating will move to North America or Europe
Excerpt:

*Both the United States and Russia are expected to submit formal applications to take over the 2011 World Championships. Both countries have time-consuming entry visa procedures under normal conditions.

``In case one of these two countries is chosen, of course it would be of paramount importance they guarantee to provide visas in due time,'' Cinquanta said.

USFS spokesperson Scottie Bibb said in a Monday email ``we have been in contact (with the State Department on the visa issue). They are aware of the possibilities and will assist as necessary.''

 

[russell30]

Yes hernando but would have been once in five years from 2007 if Japan hosted in 2011, i did not realise Nice was hosting next year, I assumed it was going to Korea?

sorry I forgot we had it Torino in 2010, chuckle, the reason why I have forgotten this event is because it was hardly televised in the UK (due to money spent on coverage of the Olympics, and the DAMN cycling world's interrupted with scheduling for the World's on Eurosport.

AS skating declines, the TV broadcasters are only interested in money making sports and we do suffer because of it, its true to say that the online feed will be a thing of the future if the ISU does not restore it to 100% up to Sochi 2014, because of 2002 scandal it has not been the same since.

I also don't really care where worlds are, as long as we get them, I am just based in Europe. I am bias

 

[janetfan]

Yes hernando but would have been once in five years from 2007 if Japan hosted in 2011, i did not realise Nice was hosting next year, I assumed it was going to Korea?

Just saying if Worlds is held in Europe this season by next season it will mean that Europe hosted 6 of the last 9 WC's.
Not a problem with me but no reason to complain about being short changed.

I will agree with you to complain about the lack of TV coverage.

 

[cooper]

1. The new site will not be in Asia.

``We cannot do the event in China or Taiwan or (South) Korea,'' Cinquanta said. ``It would be a slap in the face to the Japanese.''

Ehh. Is Speedy really the Pres. of ISU?