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Patrick Chan in a Jumping Competition

For Seniorita and all, 2002 Olympics Evgeni Plushenko LP

Now that is a jumping competition program.

So is this one.

But the most momerable to me is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UFHvSWmY0c&feature=related

Not to forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwJsWpjp-X4&feature=related

So, Joesitz, I would cheer on a jumping competition too but I really want beautifully choreographed programs, with music, performed with all the skating skills including jumps. Heck, I prefer a well performed, complete program that stirs me at the moment and stays with me forever even if done without the quads and the most difficult combos. But the best ones have them all.
 
Thanx for clips, I must have seen them like a zillion times, i know by heart the commentary and when mr Hamilton squeezes:)!
I remember almost all the skaters programs of 2002 of the jumping fest Olys without remembering much of the jumps. And i dont feel I need to explain it. Each to their own.
I think of these Olympics as the ones that I liked many different personalities on ice that made me forgot it was a competition. I like beautiful choreographies too, but since no choreographers but skaters compete here, i guess I prefer the performing rather than the executing a well designed choreo.

Besides there is no use refering to the old 6.0 as jumping fiesta comparing to now, because back then that was figure skating rules, the trends and what skaters had to do to win. It is like watching clips of 1900 and say hey the ladies, they didnt do a bielman!
 
SkateFiguring said:
So, Joesitz, I would cheer on a jumping competition too but I really want beautifully choreographed programs, with music, performed with all the skating skills including jumps. Heck, I prefer a well performed, complete program that stirs me at the moment and stays with me forever even if done without the quads and the most difficult combos. But the best ones have them all.
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There are differences between males and females other than anatomy. I see women fans of figure skating awaiting a program that gets them all emotional, It's like that in Ballet as well even with all those fairy stories.

Men fans tend to look more at the sport of figure skating rather than the emotional programs. That means who has the best tricks on skates? It's like that in Opera as well where men enjoy the resonance of the Voice moreso than the pot-boiling stories.

It's just another gender gap.

What you want in the way of the restricted programs, I can also relate to, but there are so few in figure skating while in the lively arts there are innumerable cases where it's all about emotional performances, but technique is a must.
 
Joesitz said:
There are differences between males and females other than anatomy. I see women fans of figure skating awaiting a program that gets them all emotional, It's like that in Ballet as well even with all those fairy stories.

Men fans tend to look more at the sport of figure skating rather than the emotional programs. That means who has the best tricks on skates? It's like that in Opera as well where men enjoy the resonance of the Voice moreso than the pot-boiling stories.

It's just another gender gap.

What you want in the way of the restricted programs, I can also relate to, but there are so few in figure skating while in the lively arts there are innumerable cases where it's all about emotional performances, but technique is a must.
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What do you have against me when I support results on the basis of COP judging the performances as a sport even when the performances were not my prefered style and did not move me, e.g. Lysecek at Olympics 2010, and D/W at Worlds 2011?

And why are you crusading against the judging system and so many aspects of figure skating when you know, as you always state, that majority of figure skating fans are women? Why are you constantly lementing that figure skating is girly and sissy? Don Quixote complex? :)

You should also be glad that performance/artistry was much less emphasized under COP, accounting for 20% of the marks, than under 6.0, when it was 50% of the mark and was the tie breaker.
 
^^^
WOW, was I doing all that? It's just difficult for me to consider a Sport based on artistry. Artistry is in the heart of the viewer, and it is non quantitative because no two people view it the same way.

The use of the term "artistry" as far as I know, is not official, but Skating Board fans prefer it to the term I grew up with, Presentation. No matter, both terms are not quantifiable under either of the systems. They are opinions even with the overstated guidelines of the CoP.

I have nothing against you and others who believe in the CoP. btw, much of it I also support, but Program Component Score, Presentation Score, Artistry Score are all opinions, and that is the reason for its reputation as a "little girls sport".
I don't believe that is so.
 
Joesitz said:
^^^
WOW, was I doing all that? It's just difficult for me to consider a Sport based on artistry. Artistry is in the heart of the viewer, and it is non quantitative because no two people view it the same way.

The use of the term "artistry" as far as I know, is not official, but Skating Board fans prefer it to the term I grew up with, Presentation. No matter, both terms are not quantifiable under either of the systems. They are opinions even with the overstated guidelines of the CoP.

I have nothing against you and others who believe in the CoP. btw, much of it I also support, but Program Component Score, Presentation Score, Artistry Score are all opinions, and that is the reason for its reputation as a "little girls sport".
I don't believe that is so.
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Just trying to get where you are at with your own arguments. 1) If appreciation of and emphasis on performance is a female thing, am I feminine or masculine when I prefer a rounded performance but accept and defend the juding of a competition as a sport when athletism triumphs "artistry" and emotion?

And 2) Since you declare and recognize that majority of figure skating fans are women, then your frequent assertion and criticism that figure skating is a girly pageant and your effort to turn it into a "real sport" are all futile, n'est ce pas?

As for Patrick Chan's win, it may not be so obvious to those without basic knowlege of figure skating, who cannot tell a quad from a triple, or know which jumps are more difficult, or the qualities of skating such as depth of edges, speed, ice coverage, directions of turns, etc. What was obvious is that Kozuka had a cleaner LP. Most people can't even differentiate between pairs skating and ice dancing. That is why this is a judged sport - it takes experts to fully appreciate the quality and degrees of difficulty, unlike sports with a finish line or number of goals to determine the winner.

But this kind of resoning would never persuade you to accept the nature of this extremely athletic yet esthetic sport. Like our hero Quixote would never not stop his personal crusade, right?
 
well,a jumping competition can be a bonus,like Dream on Ice show's final Quad festival,exciting and intersting.but if a event just for jumping,it's boring and won't attact many people IMO.

and on AOI shanghai,people who had never seen figure skating had no intersted on jumps,but they give ovations to all the spins...

6.0 or COP,both of them have shortcomings.none of them are perfect.people always complain if the result is not their want.people who shout COP is failure may said 6.0 was totally suck some years before.

and for the WC,SkateFiguring,I don't think people who don't know the rules can know Kozuka is cleaner.I ask some people,someone even think Daisuka should win.only figure skating fans discuss a skater clean or not,other audiences never care about it...
 
yeah,I know,but I think it's may mainly managed by the ArOI organizers,like Weir's...

and the only message on it is direct translation from one of his twitter message...
 
I think it's mainly a promotion for Artristy on Ice shows...

last year they have Johnny Weir open one,and now it didn't update for almost a year :rolleye:

and even if twitter wasn't restricted,I don't think patrick'll have much followers from china,look at QQ vs MSN and taobao vs ebay,those IT compenies don't have suitable service for most of us... ;)
 
Hmm... That might be it. His followers in weibo seems to be glowing rapidly though.
I didn't know that Johnny had an account. Thanks for info LuCN :)
 
Joesitz said:
There are differences between males and females other than anatomy. I see women fans of figure skating awaiting a program that gets them all emotional, It's like that in Ballet as well even with all those fairy stories.

Men fans tend to look more at the sport of figure skating rather than the emotional programs. That means who has the best tricks on skates? It's like that in Opera as well where men enjoy the resonance of the Voice moreso than the pot-boiling stories.

It's just another gender gap.
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Don't you think that's a bit of a gross oversimplification?
 
aaron said:
Is this for Patrick fan in China since twitter is restricted there
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For one thing, this is a popular Chinese version and is in Chinese language, mostly.

LuCN said:
I think it's mainly a promotion for Artristy on Ice shows...

last year they have Johnny Weir open one,and now it didn't update for almost a year :rolleye:

and even if twitter wasn't restricted,I don't think patrick'll have much followers from china,look at QQ vs MSN and taobao vs ebay,those IT compenies don't have suitable service for most of us... ;)
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I think Patrick's case may be different from Johnny's though, particularly the motivation. Johnny has his following in China but to him it's a career/commercial PR, no different than with other nationalities like the Japanese.

Patrick is Chinese by race though not by nationality. As he achieves great success, this fact is more and more accepted and honoured by the Chinese. He himself, growing up in Canada, was probably like most children of immigrants, wanting to fit in and be like other children. Thus assimilation was important. However, as many ethnic children grow up to be young adults, they begin to appreciate and value their ethnic cultures and identities, finding and cherishing their roots. This seems to be Patrick's personal development as well, as evidenced from his interviews of recent couple of years and his choice to start his university studies with the Chinese language. I imagine he probably has a goal of writing his own Weibo messages eventually. Of course, his desire to connect with his Chinese fans likely grows with his popularity and fandom in China. On the pragmatic side, knowing the Chinese language and having a public profile in China will only help his skating as well as future careers.

eta. Patrick does speak Cantonese and he will be taking courses to learn the official Chinese national language, known as Mandarin in the West.
 
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MoonlightSkater said:
Don't you think that's a bit of a gross oversimplification?
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About who gets more emotional at a sporting event, men or women, I think it is men. You don't see gangs of ladies tearing down the grandstands and setting police cars on fire because their team lost. ;)
 
Mathman said:
About who gets more emotional at a sporting event, men or women, I think it is men. You don't see gangs of ladies tearing down the grandstands and setting police cars on fire because their team lost. ;)
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Apparently you missed the women's World Cup match between Germany and Nigeria. :yes:

I can't recall seeing such a rough, dirty match (made worse by horrible officiating).

Nigeria was overmatched but they never gave up and played their hearts out. That is not the first time I have seen girls/ladies play sports with as much passion as men.

Your example is really more of a social comment about hooliganism, which IMO has little to do with sport.

Riots are riots and for as many political riots we see in the world I rarely recall them being considered part of sport.
 
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