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Mirai Nagasu

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My biggest complaint about Alissa's hips being unsquare is that her free leg does not create a line with her skating leg- rather, it is to the side in relation to her skating leg. If she were to try to get it in line without demonstrating more hip flexor flexibility she would need to turn her upper body almost sideways.

As for squaring the hips, I'm not looking for completely square hips, but a position that does not "sideabesque," as a ballet teacher of mine once said, and a free leg that continues the line of the skating leg. Depending on the depth of the edge, the free leg may even lean a bit with the body to keep in line with the skating leg. As for the edge affecting the hips, it can. I've found it possible to do fairly square spirals on both inside and outside edges, but a change of edge definately requires a bit of a change in hip angle as well as attention to not letting the free leg wander to steer the edge. Some skaters seem to use a more open hip on outside spirals, but I find that inside spirals actually require a greater degree of stretch through the hips than outside- this most noticeable on an outside-inside serpentine. This is probably why most ladies' skaters used to do an inside-outside serpentine instead.

I really hope we'll see serpentine spirals again. Blasted ISU and their COP mangling.

I do, however, prefer Sasha's more square position. I don't think the lowering of her upper body is necessarily due to the squareness of her hips so much as it has to do with the degree of her split. It's comparable to an arabesque penchee in ballet- almost all dancers who go for a full split in their arabesque must significantly lower their chest (unless the dancer is rediculously flexible like Alina Somova). I don't mind Sasha's upper body position as she maintains a nice arch and keeps her head up.

As for the spins, I have to say that I agree with the posters who've expressed a wish to see Mirai show a more classical position in her basic layback. I think everything else about her layback spin is superlatively good, but her basic position could use a little improvement in turnout, leg positioning, and toe point. That said, when she goes for the classical position it's not terrible like many current skaters. It just could be even better, and I think she's fully capable of fixing it with just a few days' work.

As for the baby Russians' laybacks.... yikes. I don't know if I'd even call a few of those positions laid back.
 
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I am getting anxious to hear Mirai's music. He LP last year was almost a disaster, I hope she and Lori come up with something more original and more "her."

In response to Spun Silver who asked about the laybacks, no it seems that equal points are given out for laybacks with poor leg positions as those with excellent ones.
Yu-na has a poor leg position and never suffered for it. As long as the spin is held so many revolutions and there are x number position changes, a level 4 is rewarded. GOE are rewarded for speed, centered flexibility etc, so Mirai almost always banks on this, but gets equal GOE to Yu-na who's results are much worse than Mirai on that particular element.
 
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The length of the routine, as well as the particular elements - there are three jump passes, three spins, and a circular footwork sequence - seem to indicate that it is a short program. Maybe a coincidence, but i don't think so. My general impressions are that this looks better, or potentially better, than what she skated last year. She seems to be more committed to her choreography and a lot more "into it." It's still a bit sloppy I think, but this is July 2nd. If this is where she's at in July I think that could be a good sign for where she'll be in three months. Unfortunately the spins still don't seem to have regained the speed she once had and her layback position seems maybe to have declined even a bit more from where it was a year ago. I'd say age, but she's still only 18, and I don't get the impression she's the type of skater who's punishing her body in the way Tara Lipinksi did so that certain positions become less attainable. The other thing that frustrates me is that Mirai has one of the most beautiful running landing positions of any female skater, so I don't know why she has to do these sort of flailing movements as she exits some of the jumps. I also agree, Eris, that she does appear to have gained some weight, but it's also been my experience that that is often the effect that footage taken with a home video recorder in dark spotlit conditions will have on a skater's appearance; it could be nothing. I also think that things generally look a lot less crisp in this type of footage, so I imagine this probably looked better than it does here.

I'm excited to see where she takes this this season, and overall she seems to be a lot more ready than she was last year.
 
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I came across this article about Mirai appearing at Sun Valley.

http://mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005137364


"This weekend, Nagasu will be a part of Independence Day celebrations as the headliner at the first Sun Valley Ice Show of the 2011 season."

"She is sure to wow the crowd with her elegant style, grace and signature spins. She will skate what she describes as a "fun exhibition piece," meaning a program less concerned with things she has to do than with allowing her personality to shine through."


I agree with Jeff and think Mirai looks good especially for an early July summer show.

I like the program and think it would make a very good SP or exhibition.
 
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What is the music? I hate it - sounds like generic muzak such as the Russians love so much. But Mirai looks strong and confident... it's always a good sign when she's sassy. I wonder if she's purposely been given this kind of program to make sure she has fun when she skates it (in view of the issues with motivation she seems to have been struggling with). I've missed her the last few months.

But still that flexed foot in the layback. Thanks for the scoring info, Tinymavy. I figured as much, but I don't understand the rationale.
 
She looks really good to say it's July. I'd love to see her skate something with a little spice and a little less sweet to it. It looks like she'll be able to pull it off well enough. :biggrin:

For people commenting on her weight, I'd say relax a bit. The season doesn't start for another three and a half months and for someone as small as she is anyway, she'd probably need to shed five or six pounds which, for an athlete, is easily done in a month or so. Her jumps looked strong, as did her spins. She did a Biellmann on her left leg and her right; I didn't know she could do that. I really hope she goes back to the combination spin she had in 2009/2010...it leaves a better impression than the one she did last season. Her layback looks fine to me. It's probably asking too much for her to fix her flexed foot; besides, it's worked for the past five years...why bother changing it now? Her speed looked fine to me too...I mean, how much faster do you want her to go?:confused:

I like the music and the extra flair she gave to the program. I'm hoping this will be her SP for next season...I think it's a nice change of pace.;)
 
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they don't look longer to me, they just look like bunchy socks over which the skater forgot to put on shoes. but to each his or her own--and if i were to campaign for bans, i'd ban first the blade grabs on death spirals, heck, all blade grabs by anybody but rory flack burghardt :)

mirai needs to fix her layback--that's a bigger issue than bunchy socks to me.

Really? Why?

same reason why yeonah won't (can't?) fix her toe-point? cuz you get no points for it? ah, don't ya just love COP?

to me mirai's layback is not even close to ideal. angela nikodinov has the best, hands down. if mirai had the time to spare after perfecting her jump technique to the level of yeonah kim's, she could aim for a sasha-level layback, or even an ashley wagner level layback--she has the flexibility for it. her back is bent way back--but there is such a thing as too far--and it's not in balance with her leg position--the turn out and foot are just blah. and it's not like she's mk whose back flexibility is painfully deficient (only apparent on laybacks and a few other moves). it's apparent because there's a lot of refinement and grace in a lot of mirai's skating--overall i rank mirai way ahead of angela nikodinov in appeal, but sometimes the praise for her layback along with the praise for alissa's plastered grin and alissa's poorly extended spiral makes me wonder if i need new bifocals. but hey, variety is the spice of life, whatever floats your boat. if i never see another COP program, my life won't feel the least bit incomplete--i have my old tape library where dorothy skates to paquita not flailing her arms like a bird trying to fledge from the nest.

Well-the judges seem to like Mirai's layback. That's the most important thing. And personally imo I think Mirai's layback is fab. But as you say, to each his own.
 
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I found a video ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNZkkcce0aU

I just love this routine and hope it's her new SP.
But... I wish she lost weight a little bit.

Oh wow thanks for sharing!! :cool:

If this is Mirai's SP I think I'm going to love it-as the season progresses. It has strong possibilities. It's a much more mature look for Mirai, a huge improvement over the 'Witches' SP. I love her costume too. :cool:

I too, like some can't believe people are commenting on Mirai's weight. She doesn't exactly look like an elephant and besides it's only July. I should hope she isn't going to peak yet for months. Frank will bring her along just fine. And no injuries please!

Sorry for the multiple quotes! Something was wrong with my editing feature and I had to log off, clear cache, etc. to try to fix it.
 
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I commented on Mirai's weight only because I want all the best for this girl. :rolleye: I didn't intend to offend anyone, sorry.
 
^^ I didn't take offense to it, so no harm there. But being very thin, even when you're a skater, isn't always what's best for these girls. There's always a lot of debating that goes on with this topic, so it's a bit touchy. I thought Mirai was bigger last season than she was the season before, but she didn't look fat or out of shape, nor did she skate that way. Some skaters look heavier than others, but nearly all of these skaters are beyond what the average person considers skinny. So when an already skinny person is told to lose weight, that's just a tough pill to swallow...
 
^^ I didn't take offense to it, so no harm there. But being very thin, even when you're a skater, isn't always what's best for these girls. There's always a lot of debating that goes on with this topic, so it's a bit touchy. I thought Mirai was bigger last season than she was the season before, but she didn't look fat or out of shape, nor did she skate that way. Some skaters look heavier than others, but nearly all of these skaters are beyond what the average person considers skinny. So when an already skinny person is told to lose weight, that's just a tough pill to swallow...

BOOM.

Nuff said.
 
Her layback looks fine to me. It's probably asking too much for her to fix her flexed foot; besides, it's worked for the past five years...why bother changing it now? Her speed looked fine to me too...I mean, how much faster do you want her to go?:confused:

I like the music and the extra flair she gave to the program. I'm hoping this will be her SP for next season...I think it's a nice change of pace.;)

Her turn-out in her layback has not been that poor for the past five years. In fact it used to be reasonably strong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEPMEIvN_gw&t=2m47s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbIi_dqDoMo&t=1m25s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh_4GEsEyAw&t=2m11s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMd7BYx57zE&feature=related&t=2m46s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HGYZYnxy6s&feature=related&t=1m52s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNZkkcce0aU&t=1m35s

It is certainly clear that the foot used to be a lot more turned out and/or pointed in the past. It's always dropped a little bit from parallel with the ice, but was sufficiently extended to create a pleasant effect.

Anyway,she looks great for July. She seems to take some time to reach her peak, so if this is her starting point this year, we might see some great things from her.
 
I commented on Mirai's weight only because I want all the best for this girl. :rolleye: I didn't intend to offend anyone, sorry.

I wasn't offended at all! Just rather surprized-it took me off guard. No biggie. Mirai may not be in top shape, it's only July after all but I too wish the best for this girl-and all the U.S. skaters!

Again knock wood, lighting candles, chanting chants no more injuries please skate gods and goddesses to any of the world's skaters!!
 
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