Grand Prix: Chan's big challenges

[Wafflecakes]

Laughable title. Chan has absolutely no challengers now. Mens skating is a silver and bronze battle until he retires. He is by far the best skater, and he is also by far the judges favorite and pet. Combine the two and it will take 7 falls for him to lose any event from until Sochi.

People have said this so many times....during so many seasons.....that its really laughable.

A skater is only unbeatable until they are beaten.

 

[jettasian]

I said that this time last year to howls of protest from some complainers, but I was simply stating truth, and now a year later and everything that has happened since has proven me right.

But nothing has changed though.

It must nice to enter events knowing that. I agree it looks like there is nobody close to challenging him again this season. He is by far the strongest skater right now, and by far the judges favorite and most generously scored too.

Chan's mark has been consistant, I guess the myth about Chan's judge's fave (their pet) must mean ALL THE JUDGES INTERNATIONALLY own him as their little pet.

 

[jettasian]

Enlighten me please, when had Chan fallen 7 times?

LOL, Chan's falls are accumulative. Next time he falls, will be 8...get it?

 

[jettasian]

Judges favored Chan simply because they could tell he was the best skater (and skated the best) in the competition. Other connoisseurs happened to have the same opinion. Both the commentators of Universal Sports and Eurosport said Patrick's FS is better than Fernandez's - they are not Canadians and should be unbiased. So you think you know better than these experts? What credential do you have in figure skating?

I agree that the judges in SC were kinda generous compared to those in SA, but they were generous to everyone, not just to Patrick. Fernandez would not have been able to get the same PCS if he had skated in SA.

Well, to be fair though, not only pangtongfan here, many here think they are better than the judges and the experts.

 

[Bluebonnet]

This cartoonized Chan's LP is very cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czuhm8pkyTU

 

[pangtongfan]

Judges favored Chan simply because they could tell he was the best skater (and skated the best) in the competition. Other connoisseurs happened to have the same opinion. Both the commentators of Universal Sports and Eurosport said Patrick's FS is better than Fernandez's - they are not Canadians and should be unbiased. So you think you know better than these experts? What credential do you have in figure skating?

I agree that the judges in SC were kinda generous compared to those in SA, but they were generous to everyone, not just to Patrick. Fernandez would not have been able to get the same PCS if he had skated in SA.

Where did I say anything about Chan not deserving to win Skate Canada this season (he sure as heck didnt deserve to win it last season but that is another topic). Either learn to read properly or dont bother me with your stupidity. I have better things to do.

 

[pangtongfan]

When people post that Chan is the best/strongest skater and the judges' pet/favourite, do they not get the connection between someone being the best/strongest skater and the judges giving them the highest marks? I'm not a Plushenko fan at all but I don't ever recall referring to him as the "judges' pet" because even though I'm not a fan of his programs, I could see full well that he was the best skater in the world at the time, and that he was very deserving of the wins.

Plushenko also received exagerrated scores when he was on top. Dont tell me you seriously believe all his PCS he received in 2005 and 2006 for instance. He deserved to win but not with the same margins and scores he often got. So the same statement could be applied to him many years ago if you wish.

 

[skateflower]

Chan is extremely boring. Those mindless & frantic steps and falls, geez.

 

[fscric]

Nobody forces you to watch him skate, you can use it as your bathroom break so that you will be fresh and happy when your favourites skate.

 

[skateflower]

Nobody forces you to watch him skate, you can use it as your bathroom break so that you will be fresh and happy when your favourites skate.

That's exactly what I usually do or switch channel when he's on. I could barely stand seeing a run-through of his program.

 

[jettasian]

That's exactly what I usually do or switch channel when he's on. I could barely stand seeing a run-through of his program.

For a skater you don't like, it's amazing how you would spend time and be bother to get into a thread about him and voice your very rewarding opinion.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Nobody forces you to watch him skate.

Competition does. How is one supposed to judge fairly if one does not watch all of the competitors?

Anyway, most of the outrage is really not over Chan himself. The judging and the rules that allow heavily marred and overly technical performances to prevail seems to be the main concern.

 

[fscric]

BoP, I don't even know why did you reply to me as I was only addressing to the person who had repeatedly said that Chan was always overscored and could fall 10 times and win, and this person's reply showed that he/she doesn't watch his skate, unlike you who at least always tries to watch and give your comment.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Competition does. How is one supposed to judge fairly if one does not watch all of the competitors?

Anyway, most of the outrage is really not over Chan himself. The judging and the rules that allow heavily marred and overly technical performances to prevail seems to be the main concern.

skateflower does not express any such concern but a very contemptuous personal opinion about Chan's skating. It bores her so much she cannot stand watching it. In fact, it's so boring that she actually seeks out his thread of her own accord and troubles herself to post about and stress how it disinterests her greatly.

 

[prettykeys]

"Boring" is not a word I'd use to describe Patrick's skating. Even if his style or personality does not appeal to you, it's hard to argue that he doesn't have excellent skills or that he isn't a very well-rounded skater. How does a skating fan not appreciate that?

Honestly, I'd rather skaters attempt difficult elements and fall than see a completely clean but "safe" program. Perhaps the current scoring is too forgiving of mistakes, but overall it seems to have been another step for the better.

 

[Violet Bliss]

On Carolina Kostner's thread there is so much criticism about her dumbing down her program and playing it safe so she can skate clean and score on PCS.

OTOH, reform of COP has been vigorously advocated for over a year over one early season win with falls in the debut of an extremely difficult program with a quad intergrated without sacrificing the "mindless and frentic" steps.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Vote for Patrick Chan!

http://www.sportsnet.ca/fanfuel/2011/11/10/fanfuel_sportsnet_athlete/

 

[Bluebonnet]

Even if his style or personality does not appeal to you, it's hard to argue that he doesn't have excellent skills or that he isn't a very well-rounded skater. How does a skating fan not appreciate that?

Honestly, I'd rather skaters attempt difficult elements and fall than see a completely clean but "safe" program. Perhaps the current scoring is too forgiving of mistakes, but overall it seems to have been another step for the better.

:thumbsup::yes:

 

[pangtongfan]

On Carolina Kostner's thread there is so much criticism about her dumbing down her program and playing it safe so she can skate clean and score on PCS.

OTOH, reform of COP has been vigorously advocated for over a year over one early season win with falls in the debut of an extremely difficult program with a quad intergrated without sacrificing the "mindless and frentic" steps.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

That is because in the past the best skaters like Kwan, Slutskaya, Yagudin, Plushenko, and many others practically ALWAYS could do both the difficulty with the execution time and time again. Today you get skaters who try quads or triple-triples and keep falling and still doing well, or others who do dumbed down programs with 80s or early 90s content just to skate clean. We even have the embarassment now of skaters winning majors events who dont either have either technical difficulty or artistry (eg- Lysacek and Ando), along with Chan sweeping through the Grand Prix last year with 4 falls plus per event. Which goes back to my point that currently we have a really weak field in all the disciplines, except for pairs to some extent. The TV ratings reflect this.

 

[wallylutz]

So Chan won last year's GPF with 4+falls or will someone later try to argue the GPF really isn't part of the GP Series? Also, I didn't realize winning the silver medal at the Cup of Russia = sweeping through the event. Someone must have taken a lesson from Plushenko's Platinum medal for finishing 2nd at the Vancouver Olympics. :sheesh: