Because back then, you had to land a jump on one foot to have it ratified. OTOH, you did not have to rotate it, which is why Miki Ando has landed a 4S. I'll remind you that the 4R, 4F and 4Lz may have been attempted, but they have still not been landed in international competition.
Fact: ISU has chosen to ratify 4Lz in 2011, it doesn't matter where it happened, it is now the record book. This alone is a progress vs. the era of Yagudin/Plushenko
Using the attempts to argue that today's skaters are superior is pretty silly. A quad fall does not equal a quad.
Silly to you perhaps, at least they were tried and attempted, which means there are some success in practice at least or else it wouldn't have been tried. Going by the rants by someone here, you'd think men are doing only 3Lz today.
No, but you're welcome to. Maybe in the process you'll realize that not all late-6.0 skaters were soulless jump machines.
What I found out is that a lot of these Quads in the past would have been downgraded today, therefore, not actually Quad.
Yes, and it was a pointless argument (not the first one you've made), because skaters were not allowed to attempt two quads in the SP until last year. So it is very relevant to see what the guys did when they were allowed to do more than one, that is, in the LP.
You also forgot in the 6.0 era, there was no limit on how many jumping passes you could do whereas now, you could easily be hit with a penalty for extra element. In other words, men back then could focus on doing just jumps and without counting them. Even if they fall on it, they can get back up and do it again. They had so much more liberty in how many Quads they could do vs now, so unfortunately, your comparison is flawed due to a clear advantage in the past for the LP, but not in the SP, which is the only segment that is actually comparable between then and now.
And until recently, none of the current skaters were doing two different quads in the LP bar Reynolds and Joubert (who only managed it once internationally).
Let me refresh your memory then because you clearly need some help here. In 2011 Worlds, both Michal Brezina and Javier Fernandez landed a 4T and a 4S. Fernandez repeated such feat again at the 2011 Skate Canada Int'l 6 months later.
Bygone skaters are clearly superior by your logic; 2 three-quad skaters > 1 three-quad skater. Especially since Goebel, at least, did it more than once.
I don't know if they are superior or not, but I disagree with any claim that men have regressed technically and I don't believe you want to vouch for such claim either.
Did I bring up Kat Witt or Florent? Skating is also about upper body movement; even the IJS says so!
Your point seemed to be men today aren't artistic whereas men from the Yagudin/Plushenko era were. I'd say rolling on the ice doesn't count, and Plushenko's so called artistry has been used by ISU as training material for what not to do in PCS, which led to RUS's protest in 2009-10 when he briefly came back. So much for your example of superior artistry, which btw, is not a criterion today in skating anyhow.
Figures were eliminated after the 1990 season. My memory is fine. My point, which you missed, is that IJS-driven skating is not inherently superior to past forms of skating; it just emphasizes different things. There were skaters in the past who did glorious programs which showcased both their artistry and their edge work. John Curry and Toller Cranston may not have done quads or counted off the revolutions for a level 4 spin, but they pushed skating forward and had a lasting impact on the sport. Dick Button revolutionized skating far more than Yu-Na Kim or Patrick Chan. Lets see how many of today's skaters end up having any sort of long-term impact like some of the past greats have had.
It's hard to follow your argument when you held up Yagudin as shining example of performance on ice and then blasted current men for not having to do Figures - yet seemingly forgot that Yagudin never competed under Figures either. Your obvious backpeddaling aside, the influence of each skater on the sport is a subjective opinion. I cannot argue with you on your personal preference so that I will leave it open for each person to interpret as they see fit.
It's too bad he did that program before he had learned the quad.
But is he in the US?
