I think that blackswanphoto is an uber-fan parody/character nic.
I wish people would stop trying to compare them to one of the all time greats like D/W. Maybe a few years ago, but now it's really no comparison.
That is hilarious. All time greats D/W?...no comparison? it is fine to not like a program but to then make outrageous comments really loses any credibility of your commentary.
It is funny to watch these comments...the two best teams in the world period! Now a direct comparison would be based on the strengths of both teams;
Skating Skill =even
Speed = D/W
edge quality = V/M
Basic positions and unison = V/M
interpretation = V/M
Guts and raw energy = D/W
Danceablity = V/M
Performance ability = even
Programs = depends on the year but this year = V/M ( alot in the short and closer in the free but still better)
My vote goes to V/M but there sure is a lot of passionate D/W fans trying to make a case when in reality it's not there over the entire body of work. I would say we will watch these two teams duke it out right up till the 2014 season is finished. Should be fun and should be great dancing....sit back and enjoy
In that case, wouldn't it be more accurate that Scott couldn't do that lift with his current partner, rather than he couldn't do it, period? This is academic as he's not going to switch partners, but it's not the first time we've seen teams do something that's made possible to some extent because of size differences (or lack of thereof).Well, I sincerely doubt that Scott could do that great rotational lift in D&W's FD this year. Meryl is smaller than Tessa. To get the torque up to spin her that fast, while she has increased the rotational moment of inertia by sitting straight up, rather than doing the usual -my head on my knee position, takes huge strength & raw power.
nice try...the first four are all technical aspects, if you would like I will add;
connecting steps = V/M
lifts = V/M
twizzles = even
spins = D/W
Why so crazy for D/W they are great but really will never be compared to the great Russians of the 80's and 90's and certainly not sport changers. V/M have changed ice dancing while remaining true to the beauty of those like K/O, K/P, T/D, U/Z and the energy of K/B and A/P. You can huff and puff all you like but you will never convince this ice dance fan.
i do think it was kind of meryl & charlie to use jennifer lopez in spanish. At least the words aren't running through my head. However, jennifer lopez and the lambada are latin american, perhaps with the emphasis on the american, but none the less valid, and nicky slater needs to broaden his definition of what latin american is. He is getting old hat there. Jcoates is right on the money on this subject. All 6 programs were acceptable latin american-the teams just picked different aspects of latin american to feature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guc5bv-jq7o#t=1m58s
i am interested to see that those sharp elbowed movements that meryl has in this dance are very typical of the club dance. The above link teaches you how to dance to jlo's on the floor (but without the music )
i wonder whether nicky would recognize this song (and the dances that go with it) as latin american?
(alexander abt did a great exhibition to it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohihz2pwwho
or this song (i'm hoping someone uses it or something like it) if there is a yankee polka sd sometime. It's rhythm would rule it out as an isu latin combo song, but it is non the less latin american
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgmwkuo9ofe
the closest thing to modern latin american this season are perhaps zhiganshina & gaszi with desperados and d&w with jlo.
Yes, it is true scott might be able to do that lift with a different partner. But he doesn't have a different partner. And not every partner he might get has the timing to get into that position with effortless swiftness, as meryl does. Imo that lift is a true case of making something that is extremely difficult look extremely easy. The judges recognize it. It is why at the last 2 outings it got nearly straight 3's from 2 different judges panels.
I agree that p&b's sd lift is an attempt to cantonize their lifts. It is not a wholly successful effort. a friend of mine commented that nathalie should sell advertising space on her undies for that lift.
How do you know if Scott can do that lift or not with Tessa?
Eurosport (Nicky, I imagine) was not impressed with D/W; he thought it didn't have enough of a Latin feel and disapproved of some of the holds and hold changes....If I had to point to the biggest difference between V/M and D/W in general, it's that Meryl and Charlie are obviously doing difficult things, while Tessa and Scott usually make difficult things look smooth and easy. I know which style I prefer...Latin rhythm really doesn't do the Shibs any favors. I thought they were lucky to get the marks they did.