Nebelhorn Trophy 2012

[mystichaze]

Yes I was about to comment on Maxim's hair being very Tabatha Coffey-ish.

 

[bigsisjiejie]

Haven't had a chance to see any videos yet, but looking at the protocols, a couple of things stand out about Keegan Messing's FS:
1) His fall was on his 4T attempt, yet he must have done it with a great deal of style, as not all judges gave him a typical -3, a bunch of -2's and one judge only a -1!
2) His 3A-3T was one of very few in the competition, and the single highest scoring technical element with a monster 14.57.

 

[bigsisjiejie]

in fact prove by nebelhorn caroline zhang needs the protection and still proof that the usfsa will not cheat for her like agnes, gracie, leah, mirai, rachel, ashley, alissa . they don't skate well and get high scores they overlook alot of their mistakes still and still is punishing caroline, not overlooking hers.

this doesn't bode well for caroline for rest of season like others, tells me the usfsa still won't hold her up and give her a break, like they did other skaters, too bad.

What does USFSA have to do with Caroline screwing up her own SP at Nebelhorn? They sent her to an international competition, but they can't skate her program for her. They certainly aren't sitting on the Tech Panel nor Judge's chairs. You're talking nonsense again, as with many times in the past. So blind to Caroline's problems that you can't admit she's her own worst enemy. If she had taken the time years ago to learn proper technique, she'd be in a better place right now. In fact, the only thing the USFSA did in the past to Caroline was hold her up in lower levels and especially as a junior, when they should have smacked her down in the scoring and counseled her about fixing her lousy technique before it came back to bite her in the hindquarters.

While I appreciate that she's made strides to fix things over the last couple of years, I think it's too little, too late, given the current and up-and-coming competition in the USA. It's happened to other skaters as well--Caroline is not special in that regard.

 

[Mao88]

VIDEOS SO FAR

SHORT DANCE

1. Nelli ZHIGANSHINA & Alexander GAZSI (GER) - 59.58
2. Madison CHOCK & Evan BATES (USA) - 56.97
3. Julia ZLOBINA & Alexei SITNIKOV (AZE) - 56.95
4. Ksenia MONKO & Kirill KHALIAVIN (RUS) - 54.92
5. Alexandra PAUL & Mitchell ISLAM (CAN) - 54.50
9. Ramona Elsener & Florain Roost (SUI) - 46.62

PAIRS COMPETITION

1. Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR & Maxim TRANKOV (RUS) - 196.55
Short Program, Short Program - 2nd Video, Free Skate, Free Skate - 2nd Video
2. Caydee DENNEY & John COUGHLIN (USA) - 178.90
Short Program
3. Vanessa JAMES & Morgan CIPRES (FRA) - 151.52
4. Gretchen DONLAN & Andrew SPEROFF (USA) - 145.35
5. Daria POPOVA & Bruno MASSOT (FRA) - 132.68
WD Vera BAZAROVA & Yuri LARIONOV (RUS)
Short Program

MEN'S COMPETITION

1. Nobunari ODA (JPN) - 233.33
Short Program, Free Skate
2. Konstantin MENSHOV (RUS) - 212.94
Short Program, Free Skate
3. Keegan MESSING (USA) - 210.78
4. Stephen CARRIERE (USA) - 209.11
5. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 201.71
Short Program
6. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 199.98
7. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 198.39
Short Program
10. Peter LIEBERS (GER) - 195.59
Short Program

LADIES SHORT PROGRAM

1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 58.48 2nd Video
2. Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN) - 55.68
3. Elena GLEBOVA (EST) - 54.26
4. Polina SHELEPEN (RUS) - 53.63
5. Nathalie WEINZIERL (GER) - 49.64

 

[Tonichelle]

Haven't had a chance to see any videos yet, but looking at the protocols, a couple of things stand out about Keegan Messing's FS:
1) His fall was on his 4T attempt, yet he must have done it with a great deal of style, as not all judges gave him a typical -3, a bunch of -2's and one judge only a -1!
2) His 3A-3T was one of very few in the competition, and the single highest scoring technical element with a monster 14.57.

that's because he is AWESOME!

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

All the things I loved about Adelina's skating (her jumps, her youthful energy, her flexibility) are not being showcased in her SP. Her spins are still superb though.

 

[sky_fly20]

VIDEOS SO FAR


4. Polina SHELEPEN (RUS) - 53.63

they changed Shelepen's SP music
why ? this one is horrible, Sokolovskaya is such a disaster coach for her hwell:

 

[Mao88]

Nobunari Oda - Free Skate

Konstantin Menshov - Free Skate

Also placed the links to Oda's and Menshov's Free Skates in post 130 above

EDIT

Denney & Coughlin - Short Program

Peter Liebers - Short Program

Added links to post 130 above as well

 

[sky_fly20]

Overall Standing as of now from russian forum

Haruka Imai - 153.64
Helgesson - 145.16
Turkkila - 137.36
Zhang - 124.13 - 3 Falls in LP :disapp:

 

[FSGMT]

Overall Standing as of now from russian forum

Haruka Imai - 153.64
Helgesson - 145.16
Turkkila - 137.36
Zhang - 124.13 - 3 Falls in LP :disapp:

147 means 105.94 for Imai! :agree: Zhang... Why, Caroline? We all thought this was going to be a fantastic season for her, and she begins it with this kind of result: 78.70! Helgesson :think: it could have been better, but 96.99 is not a disaster...

 

[Lucky Star]

Ladies FS so far:

Turkkila 137.36

Helgesson 145.16 3F-1T, 3T, 3Lo+2A, 3F hand down, 2A+2T, 3Lo, 3S

Caroline Zhang FS 39.13 + 42.57 – 3.00 = 78.70 overall 124.13 Black dress with silver stripes. 3F+2T, 3Lz fall, 1S two foot, 3Lo+2T+2Lo good, 3F fall, 2A, 3Lo fall

Haruka Imai FS 55.02 + 50.92 = 105.94 overall 153.64. 3F, 2A+3T, 3Lz, 3S, 3Lo+2T+2Lo, 3Lo, 3S+2T all clean

Sarah Hecken FS 40.13 + 42.41 = 82.54 overall 125.66 3T+3T excellent, 3F two footed, 2S, 3S, 2S (?), 3Lo, 2F+2T+2T

 

[Lucky Star]

Sotnikova 3Lz+3T at the warm up

 

[Lucky Star]

Nathalie Weinzierl FS 48.72 + 44.60 = 93.32 overall 142.96
3Lz good, 3T, 2A, 3T+2T+2T, 3Lo, 3S+2T, 3S

 

[sky_fly20]

147 means 105.94 for Imai! :agree: Zhang... Why, Caroline? We all thought this was going to be a fantastic season for her, and she begins it with this kind of result: 78.70! Helgesson :think: it could have been better, but 96.99 is not a disaster...

Im reading and translating from te russian forum feeds
unless Im mistaken they said the overall score was 153+ for Imai, unless I mistype of misunderstood the translation

Hecken Score: 125.66

 

[Lucky Star]

Osmond FS 59.15 + 56.36 – 1.00 = 114.51 overall 170.19 3F+3T very good, 3Lz, 2A+3T, 3S, 3F, 3T (?) fall, 2A+2T+2T

 

[FSGMT]

3F+3T?! I think it's the first time she lands it in competition! And the PCS is really good, too! (THX for these translations! )

 

[Lucky Star]

Han FS 47.64 + 46.30 – 1.00 = 92.94 overall 142.02 3Lo+2T, 3F fall, 2A, 3T+1T, 3S+2T+2T, 3T, 3S

 

[Lucky Star]

Glebova FS 48.46 + 49.64 = 98.10 overall 152.36 3Lz turns on the landing, 2F, 3T+3T, 2Lo, 3S+2T, 3S+2T+2T, 2A

 

[FSGMT]

Glebova FS 48.46 + 49.64 = 98.10 overall 152.36 3Lz turns on the landing, 2F, 3T+3T, 2Lo, 3S+2T, 3S+2T+2T, 2A

So she's behind Imai?

 

[Lucky Star]

Shelepen FS 44.74 + 49.22 = 93.96 overall 147.59 3Lz, 2A, 3Lo, 2A, 1S, 3F+1T, 3Lz