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Originally Posted by Eladola
"Wow, Han yan sure does open his mouth wide when in the air"

Do you have to be so rude? He at least skated with conviction despite his mistakes and a poor Lp choreographed by Lori, and the jumps were wonderful when he nailed them. His jumps were fast, huge, great height, edge and flow, textbook perfect, he threw himself completely into them and his expressions says it all.

Aren't you a TAD dramatic?
It's ok to make harmless jokes throughout a competition,
I'm just pointing out something that everybody sees, Including the tv commentators who pointed it out,
It says nothing about what i think of him as a skater
 
To be fair to Chan, I enjoyed Chan's skating in between the disastrous jumps more than I did Hanyu's performance. Hanyu was so much better yesterday, posture, expression, etc. even without counting the jumps, I was turning into a serious fan. Sadly, he seemed deflated after his first two mistakes today.
 
I think the extra skating in the team competition has to have had some impact on the quality of the skating for the top men. Having the men's competition so soon after the team skates gave those who skated in both no physical or psychological breather. Still, it is disappointing to have the top two medals decided by who fell the least, but the perfect, technically lights-out Olympic skate has not always happened, and there are even fewer chances of seeing such skates in this age of ever increasing emphasis on jump rotations and multi-revolution jumps. Just my two cents. Congratulations to all the medalists and the valiant veteran competitors who went out there one last time tonight.
pairs skated just after team event. most of them even improved their skating.
 
in the past skaters who pushed the boundary like mao asada who was consitently penalised severely with downgrades for trying things. that is sending the wrong message. I agree with the rule that the base mark should be awarded for people who try difficult things to push the sport forward. And yes, a fall on a 4s isthe same as a good 3s but the bigger picure is that people will try and land more in the future to make it more athletic and exciting
 
Originally Posted by Eladola
"Wow, Han yan sure does open his mouth wide when in the air"

Do you have to be so rude? He at least skated with conviction despite his mistakes and a poor Lp choreographed by Lori, and the jumps were wonderful when he nailed them. His jumps were fast, huge, great height, edge and flow, textbook perfect, he threw himself completely into them and his expressions says it all.

Pretty sure it's just an observation, like when skaters make funny faces in the air because of concentration. Not knocking on his actual skills.
 
Aren't you a TAD dramatic?
It's ok to make harmless jokes throughout a competition,
I'm just pointing out something that everybody sees, Including the tv commentators who pointed it out,
It says nothing about what i think of him as a skater

It's not a joke, it's a really mean comment. It's saying someone has an ugly face when they jump, haha, how absolutely funny, how hilarious! It reminds me of those "ugly" videos fans put up of Mao when she was grimacing during her jumps. That sort of things really disgust me. How about you try one of these jumps and we'll judge how good you look? Strangely enough, you didn't seem to notice any skating qualities of Han Yan?
 
I thought Fernandez should have won the bronze. I know he had alot of mistakes but there was no reason for his PCS to be lower than Takahashi and with the same PCS as Takahashi he would have stayed ahead of Ten. It was a make up gift to Ten by the judges for being robbed of the World title last year.

I am sure now Orser will have both Hanyu and Fernandez for atleast another four years. Hanyu wont be fully satisfied winning the Olympics without his best performance and will want to chase the historic feat of winning 2 and doing it with an ultimate performance next time. Fernandez will want to chase an Olympic medal and possibly the Gold after missing out here.

Ten's PCS were lower than Jason Browns. I thought Ten was robbed in PCS
 
Even if Fernandez had fallen on his 4S and landed his 3S, from what I see it doesn't look like he would have made up enough points to end up in 3rd. His 4S score was 5.84, with a grade of execution of 1.20. If he'd fallen, it would have been probably around 2.00, and with the base value for a 3S being about 4.62, it would have been around the same score. But yes, the Zayak rule (no repeats of a single triple jump) can bite a skater if they try to switch things up.
 
It's not a joke, it's a really mean comment. It's saying someone has an ugly face when they jump, haha, how absolutely funny, how hilarious! It reminds me of those "ugly" videos fans put up of Mao when she was grimacing during her jumps. Strangely enough, you didn't seem to notice any skating qualities of Han Yan?

You do realize that saying people have ugly faces when they jump isn't saying that the people themselves are ugly, right? Split second photos of concentration nearly always look silly. It just happens. It's not an insult.
 
It's not a joke, it's a really mean comment. It's saying someone has an ugly face when they jump, haha, how absolutely funny, how hilarious! It reminds me of those "ugly" videos fans put up of Mao when she was grimacing during her jumps. That sort of things really disgust me. Strangely enough, you didn't seem to notice any skating qualities of Han Yan?

I bet Han Yan would find me funny, Sorry you don't :P
 
And... everyone is ok with this? Because it sounds incredibly stupid when you're new to the sport. And, sorry, but that is totally the CoP. The message here is "go for the big skill, even if you can't land it".

(btw I changed 4S to 3S because I figured that was a typo)

But Fernandez CAN land and has landed it. The CoP is about rewarding risk, since obviously you have to take some risks to get a big reward.

As much of a hot mess as this field was, without the quads it would have been a 1980's skate fest.
 
So, am I right in thinking if Fernandez had actually just thrown his second 4S and landed it on his butt, he probably would have ended up with the bronze? ******-up than gymnastics's CoP...

Wow. That's so true. Can't understand why he didn't know that if he tripled the second quad he couldn't throw in another 3S at the end. How is that not something he should just know while out there? It's gotta be a likely possibility that he'd triple the 2nd salchow. He could've put in something else that garnered 2 points and won a bronze. Such an odd reason for the end result.
 
You do realize that saying people have ugly faces when they jump isn't saying that the people themselves are ugly, right? Split second photos of concentration nearly always look silly. It just happens. It's not an insult.

So I assume you find those youtube videos of Mao when she was grimacing in the air funny and not malicious? One of the qualities about FS is beauty, and the enormous effort to make it look beautiful and effortless when it ISN'T. The jumps are beautiful, the effort asserted is enormous. So you'd laugh when a skater lands ungraciously on his/her butt?
 
lol damn did anyone see joannie rochette's tweet? it was in french, but she basically said: he had the gold on a silver platter and he took the platter

kinda rude...his silver platter is still better than your pity bronze

Wow, she said that? Serioulsy? I mean, not saying that I didn't 'think' it, but that's a little harsh coming from a fellow teammate and skater (and maybe friend?).
 
Often times the choreographer gets to sit with the athlete as well.

And welcome to goldenskate, polymath :)

haha, thanks. I figured it was it was the coach's assistant or something., choreographer makes sense though.

Truth be told, this is the first time I ever watched figure skating. I was rooting for Patrick Chan obviously. I really wanted him to beat that Japanese guy but he scored some mad points yesterday and my man Chan just couldn't close the gap today. Whatever though, I enjoyed it. Gave me a better appreciate for the sport.

generally team leader from his/her own federation...but not all team leaders seat next to the skaters, only those who love to be on television :cool:

True say, she looked very Czech so it's definitely somebody from his home country. And she was pretty, so I didn't mind seeing her on TV for 45 seconds. :p
 
FERNANDEZ YOU FOOL! He would have had the bronze medal, had he done a 2axel instead of a second 3salchow at the end. AAAAAARGH this is so frustrating! Did they not go over scenarios like this where he triples a quad? :bang:

I can't believe Ten is third. I mean good for him to have skated so decently but I'd have probably had him 5th overall because of how empty his program was and some smaller mistakes that the judges didn't deduct him for.

Machida was really undermarked on the PCS. The way he used his whole upper body throughout his program and all the choreographic detail he had plus everything being delivered with good flow - he didn't get enough credit for it.

Hanyu's choreography was subpar and the lack of busy upper body movement only made his issues with posture and lines more apparent. PCS-wise, Chan should have destroyed him. What was absolutely remarkable about Chan's program was the unusual layout and constant transitions. He didn't need to skate all the way around the ice rink into a big element and whilst doing so, he would constantly perform some footwork and turn changing direction because he builds speed so easily, he doesn't need to just do cross-overs.

In the FS at least, I would have probably placed them:
1. Chan
2. Hanyu
3. Machida
4. Ten
5. Fernandez (only a little behind Ten and ahead of him overall)

2. Will people now talk about increasing the penalty for faulty quads? How 4 years changes everything...

This is why you don't make hasty, emotional decisions without considering both pros and cons. They should have never increased the values of quads as much as they did.

downgrade caused a Zayak? commentator said he got zero for one of his combinations)

Downgrades don't cause Zayaks. And the commentator was wrong.

I have a question about the figure skating competitions. When the skater finishes their routine and takes a seat to be shown their scores, they usually sit with the coach. I've noticed some people sitting with two people, both are coaches? Like Michal Brezina of the Czech Republic for instance, he was sitting with Victor Petrenko but there also this woman sitting next to him. Who is she and what does she do if she isn't a coach?

Sometimes they are coaches, sometimes they are choreographers, sometimes they are team leaders.

Nina Petrenko was with Brezina. She's Viktor's wife and a choreographer (but she didn't do Brezina's programs).

And... everyone is ok with this? Because it sounds incredibly stupid when you're new to the sport. And, sorry, but that is totally the CoP. The message here is "go for the big skill, even if you can't land it".

Rotating a 4salchow is something very few skaters are capable of. Landing a 3salchow is something you will see many skaters doing.

I thought Fernandez should have won the bronze. I know he had alot of mistakes but there was no reason for his PCS to be lower than Takahashi and with the same PCS as Takahashi he would have stayed ahead of Ten.

There were plenty of reasons. :p

Takahashi obviously deserves very high PCS. The problem was Ten was overmarked.

Ten's PCS were lower than Jason Browns. I thought Ten was robbed in PCS

Jason Brown's program was far far more complex than Ten's.
 
Wow. That's so true. Can't understand why he didn't know that if he tripled the second quad he couldn't throw in another 3S at the end.

He was very nervous, I don't know how much you can actually think during a performance at the OG. It's overwhelming.
 
You do realize that saying people have ugly faces when they jump isn't saying that the people themselves are ugly, right? Split second photos of concentration nearly always look silly. It just happens. It's not an insult.

Yeah, especially when they're spinning at whatever speed these skaters must be rotating at. No one looks attractive mid-jump. So what?

I really have nothing else to say about the competition that hasn't been said. Lord, what a mess tonight. And I thought the men in Vancouver were blah. :disapp:
 
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