2014 Olympics Ladies Short Program
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Yes!I hope this happens!
Unfortunately, that probably won't happen due to her being in the 2nd group. Her PCS will be undermarked. But go for it, Mao! There's nothing to lose at this point!
0 on the triple flip really. Even the skating lesson Dave who is not a fan, said Sotnikova's probably the best jumper in the world after Kim.
I get disliking a skater, but denying what they do well? And Sotnikova jumps very well when she lands them.If someone like Yulia can get GOE on her jumps, Sotnikova deserves massive.
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Come to think of it, the men singles event seems to be fair because everyone fell and they have to pick the one who made the fewest mistakes. And the only Russian skater withdrawed, should we show our gratitude toward Plushenko for withdrawing? If he had not... His PCS might be over the top, not that I mind, cause he's Plushy. Lol
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Come to think of it, the men singles event seems to be fair because everyone fell and they have to pick the one who made the fewest mistakes. And the only Russian skater withdrawed, should we show our gratitude toward Plushenko for withdrawing? If he had not... His PCS might be over the top, not that I mind, cause he's Plushy. Lol
They must do like in some classical musical competitions e.g.
1st prize not awarded
2nd prize not awarded
3rd prize x x
I think I'll take what the judges have to say about Sotnikova's 3flip, and that includes judges in many competitions.
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Every judge, including USA CAN and KOR gave Adelina's flip +2 (or +3). Clearly you are not seeing something even the judge from Yuna's country is seeing. Is the KOR judge part of the plan to take down Yuna as well?
The entrance was ugly in terms of her posture and lines (like the rest of her program) but it was controlled and directly off preceding footwork. I thought the jump had a lot of height but yes, not as much distance as Kim. What was wrong about the landing?
As for Kim, break between the steps and the jump means at least -1 (I don't think more would apply in that case as it was short) and I don't think it was exceptional enough to start from a +3 GOE. So +2-1=+1.
Then again you are the same one so blind you think S&S deserved to win the SP over V&Tand said S&S have better skating skills than V&T.
Making personal remarks instead of using arguments is both ugly and unnecessary.
Savchenko/Szolkowy, have better skating skills because:
- they are more evenly matched between the two partners
- they need less cross-overs in order to generate and maintain speed
- they skate on deeper edges
- in the Olympic SP they showed more one foot skating and more skating in different directions
With regards to some other aspect of the SP. Off the top of my head:
- S/S needed less cross-overs into their elements and even while they were doing them, they wouldn't just skate backward/forward but they would also change positions and direction of skating (plus there would be some transitions here and there during the entry in most cases)
- S/S' timing seemed mostly on point throughout, V/T were partly off-time
Exactly. And Kim herself admitted that she had a mistake in the footwork that cost her a level and a mistake in a spin that cost her a level. Which is why the scores are close. One can quibble with Sotnikova's PCS. Although her Skating SKills by all accounts are right up there with the top ladies in the world.
But the GOE? That's girls elements are top notch in the short program. And they have been rated as top notch by multiple scoring panels.
EDIT: just kidding, Adelina's PCS is like .3 below Kim's. Still. .. . . and omg mao just fell T_T...... Mao is falling apart. I blame Sotnikova's scoring. She must be shell shocked from its ridiculouslness.[/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I think so, too. As much as I'd love Adelina and Caro to medal, they both have a history of inconsistency on the FS. Hope hey manage to controol themselves and deliver relatively clean performances, though.
That would be amazing!
I agree on most you've writeen. I woud've given her 73~, though, but in the end I think Kostner should've won the SP. Kim seemed a little conservative and temptative PCS wise.
IMHO she didn't deliver what she's got us used to. Besides, she skated very early in the competition.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I think so, too. As much as I'd love Adelina and Caro to medal, they both have a history of inconsistency on the FS. Hope hey manage to controol themselves and deliver relatively clean performances, though.
That would be amazing!
I agree on most you've writeen. I woud've given her 73~, though, but in the end I think Kostner should've won the SP. Kim seemed a little conservative and temptative PCS wise.
IMHO she didn't deliver what she's got us used to. Besides, she skated very early in the competition.
I couldn't help but have the same thought.
Too hard to make predictions after tonight. To me the questions are:
1. Yuna looked slower than usual. Was that just nerves or is she a bit tired at these games? If just nerves, I have little doubt she will work through them tomorrow. Also, how will her long program be received? It has been little tested.
2. Can we hope for a solid long program from Carolina? One thing I will say for her, the last two years she has looked so comfortable on the ice and seems to be enjoying herself. I just adore watching her and her Bolero program is a treat.
3. Adelina...kind of the same question as Caro for the long but she must be on such a high now. How will her PCS hold up in the long compared to Yuna and Caro? If those do skate great, I would think the difference between their quality and Adelina's will be more obvious in the long.
4. What happens if Julia rebounds with a great FS? Judges have loved her program. Even with her being so far behind, I think she will make it hard on the top three to keep their spots if she nails it.
5. Gracie - She could medal! The recipe for her is to nail it and kick in the door if the top three open it. But what happens if she and Julia both nail it? Is Gracie's lead comfortable enough to hold off Julia for a medal?
6. Ashley. She's out, barring major surprises. Even if she nails her long I'm not sure the judges see her as being in the same category as the the Russians, fairly or not, never mind Kim and Caro.
Small medals; remember?
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I love Plushy but well, i do think it's time to move on to the younger skaters. While I acknowledge the fact that this year men single event was not what we had expected, I have to say all the medalists deserved what they had worked so hard for despite all the falls. What a pity PChan gave the gold back (seriously sad, but... He did not try enough) but at least the competition was still fair at that point. Since Plushy pulled out, the judges had no reason to give him ridiculous high score.They must do like in some classical musical competitions e.g.
1st prize not awarded
2nd prize not awarded
3rd prize x x
Come back to the ladies, Hoe much I wish for Caro to win tomorrow. She made my heart melt. Not sure that I sued the right words, I am struggling with English.
I agree, there is probably no corruption. But I do feel that Yuna scored a lot lower than she deserved. If you look at the quality of her jumps, (the distance going into the jump and the height, landing) she easily deserves up to 1.8 GOE. Now, I'm not saying Adelina didn't deserve her GOE's on her jumps, but if the judge scored with same standard, they should have given more GOE's to Yuna's jumps. From technical scoring chart, I can see that some judges even gave her 0 and 1... And Step sequence - she did the same thing she did in Golden Spin of Zagreb and she got a level 4 there. Don't know why she only got level 3 and the lowest GOE on Step sequence out of top 3 (Sotnikova and Kostner) Adelina was the only one who got level 4 and 1.5 GOE... and for FCSp4, Adelina got 1.29 GOE whereas Yuna got 0.93. And what about PCS? I see a lot of 7's which is just so sad to see at Yuna's level... Yuna's transition skills scored lower than Kostner's, and under 9, which I find hard to believe. Have you seen her perform? The way she pulls together the whole program is all about the transition. Her jumps and other elements just flow one after the other flawlessly. And what about other elements in PCS? Execution, Choreography, Interpretation timing - For all of these, Yuna got lower scores than Kostner and for Choreography she only got 8.89... But once again, have you seen Yuna perform??? Yuna is always known for perfect choreography totally in sync with the music. I'm just upset because Yuna has always been a consistent skater and over many years she has improved in her elements - her jumps, her spins, her step sequences and more than anything her ability to turn her performance into a work of art is dare I say the best out of all current female skaters. And she is at that legendary level. And to suddenly to be ripped off of what you deserve for the highest level you're at, it really is disappointing. Yuna truly deserved much better for her legendary performance at Olympics tonight... I really don't want her to be the scapegoat behind the Russian Glory.
Once again, Kim herself stated that she made a mistake in her footwork that cost her a level.
Actually, three +1, six +2. And from what I've learned, we don't know who's whom. Just making sure.
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I didn't know that, if the judges aren't experts, then why they are judges? I am confused here.
Yeah judges who anywhere but Russia have NEVER given your beloved Sotnikova a score anywhere near this. Your statement doesnt even make sense. So the judges are always right though? Good to know, I will follow your every post you complain about scoring every again and remind you that you have stated judges are always right less you are a hypocrite to ever question them again.
Of course you are one of those who will ALWAYS justify the score of a skater you lurve (S&S, Sotnikova) even when it is ridiculous and everyone but you is laughing at it, but will go on ad nauseum about a score that is somewhat wrong about a skater you dont like (Chan, Rochette in Vancouver, Pang & Tong when they beat S&S at the 2010 Worlds in the LP, Wagner and Gold).
Lastly judges arent experts. They are volunteers, they dont even get payed (except the massive bribe money). They usually dont even have a real skating background, but just pass the courses to become judges (and given the politics and state of skating, in some countries we can only imagine how legitimately they get through those stages). The experts who commentate (not employed by NBC that is), write, and ex skaters know 20 times more than the judges.
Sorry, but I have to step in here; these claims are so ridiculous. It takes years to become a judge, countless hours traveling to test sessions, seminars, competitions, and yes, they are volunteers and do not get paid. Most are greatly involved in the sport and do it for the love of it and have a great respect for all the skaters. They ARE experts, just because they don't get paid doesn't mean they aren't, in fact, the fact that they don't speaks a lot to their devotion to skaing. The "experts" who commentate - well, not going there.
Do judges always get it right? Of course not. It's a tough job to do.
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So Happy for Costner, and that's about all..Wow that competition topped men's fs as worst comp in Sochi. Maybe ladies are tired with this being last event? Russian girls have so much pressure at this age, and it caught Julia , I d think having skated in team first would take the anxiety off, but no.. Unfortunate fall. But I m not happy with them getting same pcs as Mao & Carolina, that both have tried and developed for these marks for so many seasons..
All Japanese ladies didn't deliver.. Sigh, Mao is my heartbroken moment of olys
i thought also Wagner could have been little higher, Gold looked robotic with her choreo. I liked Edmunds very much!!
At the end of the day that was blah competition and I think Yuna was massively underscored for what she put outhere and deserved lot higher than Adelina.
All Japanese ladies didn't deliver.. Sigh, Mao is my heartbroken moment of olys
i thought also Wagner could have been little higher, Gold looked robotic with her choreo. I liked Edmunds very much!!
At the end of the day that was blah competition and I think Yuna was massively underscored for what she put outhere and deserved lot higher than Adelina.
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