The Judging Controversy Thread

[drivingmissdaisy]

they could have been discreet.. geezz just right after the event.. oh ISU..

I'm sure Inman hugged Evan too.

 

[starrynight]

I'm sure Inman hugged Evan too.

You need one more guy other than Inman to beat that pic.

 

[leafygreens]

You need one more guy other than Inman to beat that pic.

Plus an American tech controller.

 

[cooper]

I'm sure Inman hugged Evan too.

whatever it is.. i just cannot swallow for instance why ISU put a cheater like Yuri Balkov in the judging panel.. it creates even more doubt..

 

[warlesha21]

What's going to happen to Adelina is the same thing that happened to Julia when she won COR with all of those inflated scores...she dropped right back down into her normal range at the GPF. That's what will happen to Adelina. Her PCS will adjust according (SP: from 35 down to 32-ish, FS: from 74 probably down to 64). Because of the Olympic title, if she delivers, she might see a slight boost but it won't be anywhere near what the scores were here nor should they be.

Adelina is 17 and retiring at this point would be a waste. She's only been to worlds once, she clearly has a lot more she can improve upon, and most importantly she wants to continue to compete. Telling her to hang it up is basically telling her you will never be able to accomplish anything ever again. With all of the top veterans exiting, Adelina is in a prime position to take over one of those top spots...she was in that position prior to this surprise win. Her main competition after this season will be Julia and Gracie until someone new comes along. When she's on she beats Julia and (in fair scoring) she can go toe-to-toe with Gracie. She should stay in and continue to compete.

I'd be really disappointed if she decided to retire.

I don't think she should retire, but I think it is reasonable to sit out Worlds. In fact, I think she'd be silly to go. She's going to be coming down from the huge high of OGM, winning the way she did, and the controversy behind it. Would I love to have her make me eat crow and walk into World's like a boss? Yup, I would, but I think the more sustained this gets and more fuel is added, the more "attention" the judges are going to pay to every step, turn, jump. It is far easier to fall out of international favor than it is to be carried by it. Int'l Judges have already stated that they prefer Julia over her anyway, with Gracie being a close second. If those two hit, and Mao you could quite possibly see the OGM in 4th at World's.

 

[starrynight]

I'm sure Inman hugged Evan too.

Plus an American tech controller.

That confirms the chronic judging system irregularity in the ISU. Thanks.

 

[mskater93]

No it doesn't. She did an extra jump and better spins. Why does everyone refuse to look at the protocol sheet and decide what exactly they disagree with? If you add it up Adelina has a huge TES advantage, she was not going to score > 5 points below Yuna on PCS after a stellar skate.

I HAVE looked at the protocol sheet. Here's what I see: no 'e' call on the Lutz for Sotnikova which was a blatant inside edge. She got a 0 and a -1 from two judges (rightfully so as the combination itself had postives which could have moved it from the -3 for the egregious inside edge to a -1 or 0 if someone was GENEROUS), and +2 and +3 from all the others, this is about a 2 point swing from what it should have been. The 2Lo was definitely < and borderline << and the whole combination should have carried negative GOE for the entire jump pass (and the lowered base value on the 2Lo). That didn't happen either. Combined, these two not-calls are about a 3-4 point differential.

Her CH mark was a travesty as that program construction was arm waving and "tug of war pantomime" between elements that didn't match the music as was her SS (she does not have the effortless glide and flow of Kim or Kostner and how she beat Kostner in SS!) is a complete to me -- as a skater. Her CH mark should have been no higher than 7.5 to 8 and her SS in the mid-high 8s AT BEST (9.18? 0.04 higher than Kostner? I don't think so...)

 

[Rachmaninoff]

“Would you rather have an idiot acting as a judge than a good one who is a relative of the manager of a federation?” Cinquanta said.

Apparently those are the only two alternatives. There is the wife of the president of the Russian skating federation, and there are idiots.


Cinquanta, your logical fallacy is...

 

[verysmuchso]

No way, the tech controller was also a Russian Federation guy?

But, then, they had a non-Russian assistant tech controller from Finland named Olga Baranova! Then, again, nothing sounds more Finnish than an Olga or a Baranova, does it?

 

[leafygreens]

But, then, they had a non-Russian assistant tech controller from Finland named Olga Baranova! Then, again, nothing sounds more Finnish than an Olga or a Baranova, does it?

This keeps getting better and better.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

The sad thing is this is overshadowing the fact that this was one of the best fields ever. The top 6 girls in the world are absolutely stunning!!

 

[MiRé]

Didn't know there was the picture already. ooops.

 

[WEIRisFABULOUS]

Looks like they're friends!

I wonder if that judge is the one Adelina waved to towards the end of her FS? :scratch:

 

[johnsmith72]

Does anyone have a slo mo of yu na Kim's performance? I want to see how shaky that triple lutz really was. It looked fine live on TV?

 

[mirai4life]

Adelina Sotnikova's Overmarked PCS

http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

Really, is this a joke?

Her skating skill is no better than that of Polina Edmunds.
How did she even beat Mao in PCS by 5 points.
She should be below Mao, Yuna and Carolina by 10 points. Also in SP.

 

[Elaine]

We already have a few of threads talking about this.

 

[vegarin]

No. We are angry with the JUDGING!!!

Adelina's score went up 149.95 only 0.11 behind Kim's world record with a step out and one less element, not to mention she's not the same quality skater on components. Anyone who ever follows figure skating could see 149.95 and know that's not a real score. Some of you have spent your whole life saying "oh it's ok for home ice, oh it's ok for olympic inflation, etc." All some of you do is make excuses for the scoring and allow political decisions to decide so-called "sport" contests. It's disgusting.

Anyone who considers skating an athletic sport could see 149.95 and immediately know that had no connection to reality whatsoever.

And then, they are now blaming Yuna for not trying, and not having enough tech components (when the base value difference between Yuna and Adelina was less than 4, and her SP was more technically difficult than Adelina), not skating with heart, not connecting with the Russian, so on and so forth. They have audacity to blame someone they so thoroughly screwed over.

Oh god. Calm down. I want to throttle somebody.

 

[ginal]

If the judges can find an 8 pt difference between Yulia and Gracie's PCS, they should have been able to find an 8 pt difference between Yuna and adelina's pcs.

 

[volk]

http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

One judge gave Yuna +3GOE on a botched 3 lutz, and some gave her +2GOE! Why isn't this being discussed? This is also in the 2nd half of the program where everything is doubled.

Everyone is talking about PCS, but the margin in tech score should be even bigger.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Her CH mark was a travesty as that program construction was arm waving and "tug of war pantomime" between elements that didn't match the music as was her SS (she does not have the effortless glide and flow of Kim or Kostner and how she beat Kostner in SS!) is a complete to me -- as a skater.

You're right. The entire time she was either waving to the crowd or pulling a rope. Nothing else. Tara and Johnny are skaters, just like you, and completely disagree. Why can't we accept people view these things differently and it doesn't always have to be a controversy when our favorites don't win?