It wasn't 4! It was closer to unanimous. All the judges except 1 gave Adelina great scores. 8!
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It wasn't 4! It was closer to unanimous. All the judges except 1 gave Adelina great scores. 8!
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Do you think she has the most intricate entrances and exits? That is a criterium by which jumps are measures. It's not only distance, which you Yubers focus solely on.
Yeah, they just can't seem to make their minds about her. First they say she's a jumping machine with no emotions - that it's not ALL about the jumps. Now they say that she's an artist but her jumps are weak. What so all of a sudden, technical element is more important than artistry?
Didn't Yuna telegraph many of her jumps?
Errr what about all the flutzing? The two-footed landings? The body position in the air? The under-rotation? All of that is trumped by entrances/exits?
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That might make the point I was making months back. ISU is signaling a new era and scores of +140 will be much more common(slowly over the next two quads)Not everyone will receive it at first but the ISU has an interest in promoting JUNIORISH(or the future) to MATURE(and retiring). I think Yuna's records will be duplicated/surpassed and of the skater that does it being as good as Yuna, well that will be as subjective as a favorite color.
Indeed. And it's not like her technical elements are lacking. She had higher BV than Adelina in SP, for example. Her 3Lz+3T combo has 10.10 BV and Adelina's 3T+3T combo has 8.20 BV. But the points they gathered? 11.60 for Yuna's 3Lz+3T, 10.80 for Adelina's 3T+3T.
Unreal.
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Fortunately the judges made up their minds, that you can't get away with no loop and weak spins in a latin-themed program with as much fire as a cold shower.
Umm, a loop isn't a compulsory element.... just like the triple axel isn't a required element. As for the second part of the argument, I think Katarina Witt, Dick Button, Michelle Kwan and a bunch of figure skating legends would disagree.
Edit: And yes, Adios Nonino isn't supposed to be fierce. It's supposed to be a dedication to a deceased father.
Ok, let's look at this. With a GOE difference of 1.06 between the two, Adelina got an extra 0.13 in points on jump GOE compared to Yuna. That's hardly outrageous given the height of her jumps - there was no question of flutzing in the SP. The rest of the difference came primarily from spins. It sounds like you're looking at this with the two girls' reputations in mind more than what was actually done on that night. Choppy form? The jumps on that night were extremely well executed. Yuna got better marks for the 2A. Both girls got mostly 2's on the combo, with the only difference being that Adelina received one extra 3 from one judge (3 vs. 2). So they were basically scored equally on that element except for one judge - which surely must be the Russian judge? Or just one that was impressed with the height, as most people were?
Adelina then got higher GOE on the flying spin and the layback, but they were equal on the combo spin. On the step sequence, Yuna actually got better marks from the judges for the most part, but there's an automatic difference in the calculated GOE between Level 3 and Level 4. But the judges generally considered Yuna's execution on that element superior. So to make a long story short, I'm not getting where the evidence of conspiracy is?
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You're right. Adelina flutzed, two-footed, leaned, and under-rotated every jump. Finally a Yuna fan that makes some sense.
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They are free to disagree. Fortunately they sided with the Yuna fans so they aren't being attacked.
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Very well put. ITA.
I'm just merely rebutting your point that entrances/exits are the main "criterium" for jumps. And no, Adelina had some good jumps in there. It's just that the judges acted blind for those that weren't good.
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Your comment is the very example of ad hominem.
That's very common, actually. More common than the reverse. Easier elements are easier to earn high GOE on.
So skaters have to choose their strategy. Go for the highest base value and risk giving up some GOE to lower quality, or stick with a lower base value and make up the difference in GOE.
3T+3T is not an easy element, but it is easier than 3Lz+3T.
I could also make an argument for any of the top three. I judged along at home just for fun, gave Sotnikova lower total PCS than Kostner (except for transitions) or Kim, and thought that Kim had done enough to win. But I haven't added up my scores with the tech panel calls to see what order my scores would have them in. I knew they were close.
I think any of the three would make a worthy Olympic champion, and it really kills the mood from that great night of skating to have to read all these conspiracy theories.
Instead of looking at past competitions or nationalities of the officials, what if we just looked at all the elements and all the components from all three of these skaters at this event and analyzed how we think they should be scored if we approach it without bias?
Or is it too late now that everyone has an axe to grind? At least when I was scoring live, I could just score what I saw without trying to prove anything about who should win, except whether I could come up with meaningful scores in real time. And unlike the real judges I couldn't affect the real results.
Should we come back to this in a few weeks or months when it may be easier to find videos of the whole programs online?
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You don't need to rebut a point I didn't make. I said entrances/exits are a criterium. That is the singular form of criteria, it doesn't mean it is the only thing considered.
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Did you reprimand your co-Yuna fans when they made personal attacks against others who disagreed? Or only me because I disagree with you?
