I agree with that. I do think they will come on top in the fight against S/K
Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split
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I agree with that. I do think they will come on top in the fight against S/K
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Capellini/Lanotte need to establish themselves for number 1 too. Imagine critiques If they are not on the top after european and world titles season before. Why they did leave Igor?
Yes indeed. That's why I'm saying that I doubt they would be Zueva's priority, given the fact that the she will want to make S&K a top russian couple ASAP.
Anna&Luca went to her because she has power, I think. The choreography of the FS is done by Scali in anycase, so what they need from Zueva is her politicking.
Or maybe for a cosmetic facelift. They have been around for a while. Her power and brilliance hasn't done much for the Shibs. But this could have been intentional on her part. Their work looks much more impressive this year.
Thanks for info, Uhh. I was looking for some documents as well.
I found one which announced a Russian Fed meeting in 26 of May, where one of the topics were changes for skaters. Some day later there was published a letter with all changes done – but it was not about changes between couples and creating of new couples, it was only changes of clubs and coaches for skaters, which is not the same. And looking at other topics of that meeting, confirmation of new couples were never mentioned there.
You noticed that changes coudn’t be done before 31th of May. I looked for articles and I found one with Gorshkov http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skating/159269500.html
… where he says that changes must be done between 1st of April and 31th of May, not how you say – that it couldn’t be done before 31th of May. Gorshkov described 31th of May like deadline.
I believe that funding year is good thing, but I think that it was destroyed in moment when both I&K and S&Z split – it happened when Vika and Nikita OFFICIALLY put request about new pairing (so they had to come to Russian Fed and brought them a document about it). Funding had no sense when couple already trained with new partners. And I am sure that every contract about funding between Fed and skaters has its rules in case of a split…because try to imagine situation that the contract would be signed 1st of June and some couple would stop skating together 1st of August, but thanks to a contract they would be both given money for support for the rest of the season until 31th of May – it would give no sense.
My meaning of official confirmation which I was writing about – I meant exactly only announcement to the press about allowing both new couples, just to be sure that couples can skate together, I didn’t mean all documents signed about it. I expected that this announcement will be done in one day for both couples. It didn’t happen. On the contrary with Hanca, I never believed even for one minute that Lena or Ruslan were not serious about their new couple, that they secretly wished their ex-partners to come back – and all what Lena and Ruslan and their coaches did allowed me to think that I am right, that they wanted to make a new pair and were sure about it very quickly.
If any contract about funding needed time, OK, I only wanted both couples to get the same chance.
After Nikita and Vika run away without real explanation, both Lena and Ruslan were repeatedly showing that they want to be approved like new couple...
….around 7th of April both Lena and Ruslan announced that they will skate together
…15th of April the head coach Stifunin was invited at practise, he promised to give good recommendations in front of Russian Fed
…a journalist Vaitsekhovskaya was invited to come at practise to see a new couple
…a photographer is invited to make a photoshoots from practise
…23th of May Ilia Averbukh says that he is already working with Lena and Ruslan and prepare new FD…
Hanca, if you are not sure about new dance partner, you are not behaving like that. No skater prepares new competitive programs and invites specialists and journalists at practise while he/she is not sure who he/she WANTS to skate with. I can accept the idea that two dancers without partners are skating together and trying steps and compulsory dances not to forget how skating with partner looks like. But in moments when competive programs and all round showing to specialists start – it is visible that Lena & Ruslan wanted to skate together, not to wait if their partners will change their minds…
And let’s look at Russian Fed behaviour…
…in moment when Lena and Ruslan announced that they will skate together in 7th of April – Piseev was almost rude to Ruslan saying that Ruslan’s private wishes doesn’t speak about anything…
…11th of April Gorshkov announced that Nikita and Vika did an official request to skate together, but he (Gorshkov) wants to let them skate, let them try together and then the decision will be done, he gives them THREE WEEKS
…Zueva changes three weeks to four weeks…
…22th of April Gorshkov says that decision about Lena’s partner will be done in months probably, he says that changing partners is a difficult process, it needs time to try and see if things go well…
It is strange that while head coach Stifunin saw the couple 15th of May and he liked the couple and promised to tell Russian Fed only positive things, one week later Gorshkov still looks like that time for try-out is needed? Why, when Lena & Ruslan were looking OK? In my opinion he was waiting for Nikita, because nobody from Russian Federation saw him with Vika, and Russian Fed was probably hoped (in very naive way), that Nikita will come back to Lena, so Gorshkov didn’t even mention that Lena and Ruslan will be a new couple…
And look at Nikita…
…around 4th of April he says to Lena that he will no longer skate with her
…11th of April he and Vika made an official request for becoming new couple
…13th of April Zueva announces that the couple is coming to her for try-out
…since that time once a week Zueva sings a romantic songs about S&K – their perspectives, their beauty, their speed, their eyes
…16th of April media announces new couple – S&K
…since 28th of May all Vika, Zueva and Nikita speaks in superlatives about themselves
In which moment could Russian Fed have any idea that Nikita may change his opinion? So why should Lena & Ruslan couldn’t be allowed by Fed to skate together like new couple after head coach saw them and liked them? Why they had to wait until Zueva and Fed were sure that Nikita can some way skate with Vika?
Uhh mentioned that no couple was officially confirmed (signed documents about funding probably), OK, but S&K were announced like new couple 19th of May, so even before 31th of May. Why I&Z couldn’t be announced in press after head coach saw them? Why they were finally announced 4th of June, which was 4 days after deadline?
Thanks Bramweld, you always know how to put big emotions down to more calm mood. Thanks to my temperament I have bigger problems to keep down my disagree, but I fully agree with you that skaters will speak with their skating mainly.
I they really do….Antonio Navarro is coming to Moscow these days to work on details with Lena & Ruslan on their SD.
Nice :agree::yes:
I find the conspiracy theories about Russian Federation not supporting Ruslan and Elena a bit off putting. I have been hoping that they will do great and beat S/K, but if this is what their fans are, I think I am getting turned off them a bit. Maybe I will have to find some other couple to support.
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I think at the moment, the Fed doesn't show more support for any of these 2. They are just waiting for them to show their best. It's Zueva, and whoever behind Nikita/Vik did all the PR. They even got a post on fb of ISU magazine.
It will not work if they show up as boring as their first ex. And Zueva is still looking for the right stars, and she hasn't find them yet.
Ruslan and Lena chose to stay quiet, and I think it's better not to creat too much hype like S/K did. At least they will not be expected as the fastest team in the world.
anyways Lena also got a post on ISU FB, it's a clip of her skating as a single skater when she was 9.
It will not work if they show up as boring as their first ex. And Zueva is still looking for the right stars, and she hasn't find them yet.
Ruslan and Lena chose to stay quiet, and I think it's better not to creat too much hype like S/K did. At least they will not be expected as the fastest team in the world.
anyways Lena also got a post on ISU FB, it's a clip of her skating as a single skater when she was 9.The fans will calm down soon enough when they hit the ice. Given the leniency Nikita was shown some fans have misinterpreted this as a bias towards S/K. The fed IMHO, was just giving him more time to avoid making a decision he might regret. While I don't appreciate the tactics OF SOME DIEHARDS (not all of us are), their actions are not that surprising. Harsh words and actions towards a newly minted and clearly appreciated Olympic bronze medalist will incur a little flak, right? Does he expect her to clean up this mess the same way she handled their interviews at worlds when the news broke that he was dumping her? It's just a little laughable really.
You know, I absolutely agree with everything. But I wouldn't call people that called one of the two skaters terrible names in April,fans..ly.
Both Lena and Ruslan have reacted admirably to everything considering the circumstances and people should follow their example.
Maybe you should.
I remember you as the one who complained russian federation treated Ilinykh better than talented skaters like Khoklova or Mukhortova and she is very lucky (!?) because of that. I didn't know you liked Ilinykh but If ''believes of some fans'' turned you from one skater this means you never really liked that skater. For example I don't like some Virtue/Moir fans (you know their baby or hateful comments about Davis/White) but this never turned me from Virtue/Moir. Maybe you are very new to ice dance, otherwise you will not find a team to support If you are looking fan comments.I only read here and FSU, so everytime one complained for fans I'm like=
Peoples shouldn't follow crazy groups or websites like Virtue/Moir's fan site for example. OK If they want, at least please don't generalize every fan.Do you know when is the test skates sisinka?
Maybe you should.
I only read here and FSU, so everytime one complained for fans I'm like=
Complained that they treated her better? Come on! Seriously? I may have pointed out that she still could be treated worse but I definitely did not complain about it! One complains about things that he/she is unhappy or bother her/him. I am definitely not unhappy about how neither Elena or Nikita were treated.
You didn't know I liked Ilinykh - well maybe read the forum! Yes I was very unhappy how Nikita behaved to Elena, so I would not be talking about that if I didn't like her and her skating.
And no, I am not following crazy groups or websites; it is reading this thread that is slowly turning me off her. In fact, posts of two posters. I am not generalising it to every fan, but those posts are seriously exhausting for me; at times I think they don't have much reasoning in them, are repetitive and it is serious turn off. I admire that you don't get turned off a skater, but now every time I am going to see the skater I am going to remembers posts like that. And no, I am not new to ice dance; I have been watching skating for more than 30 years. And I usually find a team to support.
And no, I am not following crazy groups or websites; it is reading this thread that is slowly turning me off her. In fact, posts of two posters. I am not generalising it to every fan, but those posts are seriously exhausting for me; at times I think they don't have much reasoning in them, are repetitive and it is serious turn off.
Oh that is easy.
You can ignore those posters. I don't know how it is done but I know posters can do that in GoldenSkate. Where is the skyfly by the way?
Guys...it's evident that people who used to say awful things about a skater personally, could have a totally different agenda like turn off people and make them support the ones they still use pet names for..
Not that this is happening here, but just a mention.
Most of the fans I know from here, and other places we've been together last season, are normal thinking people.
And let's just focus on how the skaters themselves deal with everything, which wasn't good anyway.They should be an example, especially how I/Z handled the whole thing.
Anyway I think the split is history now, it's funny we are still discussing about all this in here.
Not that this is happening here, but just a mention.
Most of the fans I know from here, and other places we've been together last season, are normal thinking people.
And let's just focus on how the skaters themselves deal with everything, which wasn't good anyway.They should be an example, especially how I/Z handled the whole thing.
Anyway I think the split is history now, it's funny we are still discussing about all this in here.
That is why I spend time finding articles and interviews to avoid such conspiracy charge from you or anybody else. So every journalist, Kustarova, Alexeeva, Lena and Ruslan, Zueva made a conspiracy theory making those acts and giving those articles? Really?
I was citing you published articles about the situation…
Now support YOUR IDEAS with published articles or words which were said by some of skaters or coach to support why you think that Kustarova and Lena & Ruslan (using your words):
1) “They didn’t know what the heck is going on, so they waited until 4th of June with request to Federation. “
2) That “it is understandable that Lena & Ruslan and their coaches were in no hurry of announcing a new couple because they did not know what Sinitsina and Katsalapov's decision will be. “
3) That “I/Z were not the ones making the decisions and therefore they were always one step behind S/K. “
(it is true that Nikita was first to come with split, but head coach saw I&Z sooner that S&K).
4) That “I&Z couldn't make any plans if they didn't know what S/K's plans were while S/K had their try-out. “
(Uhh told you that try-out of S&K was in no touch to I or Z, so if the try-out would work poorly, Nikita and Vika would be looking for new partners, not coming back to old ones…you or Uhh, one of you must be wrong, no?).
5) That “the Russian Federation wants the results and they don't care who they come from. “ (Sending Kovtun to last years World and European Champs instead of Menshov or Gachinski was really “the best result plan“? Not protesting agains technical specialists Jost who gave four deductions to Sinitsina & Zhiganshin at Winter Universiade 2013 while only one deduction was OK is fighting for the best results? Really? Tarasova who wanted to send Bukin at World Champs was an attempt for best possible result?)
6) “Lena and Ruslan did not approach the Federation earlier because they did not know what the outcome of the S/K's trial will be.“ – where did you find any info in articles about this???? You yourself wrote few posts later that Kustarova wanted to know the situation as soon as possible to make decision. Don’t you think that official request made by Vika and Nikita in front of Gorshkov did not openly said to Kustarova and her students how Nikita decided? Don’t you think that a visit of head coach couldn’t be a proposal for new pairing for I and Z?
7) “But until May Lena and Ruslan did not know whether this is permanent swap. “ – where did you find any confirmation in interview about it? The couple was working with Averbuhk on new FD in second half of May, but in your eyes they didn’t plan to skate together for sure???
8) “In regards to your question why would be Nikita the first one and the only one to decide, well, Elena was willing to skate with him, and he was not willing to skate with her. That gave him the power. “ – in moment when split happened, yes….but then? Where did you read that since Lena started to work in Kustarova’s group, she was still that one who was willing Nikita? Did she told you? Did she mentioned it in some interview straightly?
Don't you think that unreal theories about things which no skater or coach every said are done by you instead? No? Did they really tell it? Where?
I don't remember that anyone would mention date for Ice Dance, but Alena Leonova was speaking about 18th of August for Singles, but she was not 100% sure of it (and sometimes Single skaters have different date for Test Skate then Ice Dancers).
And no, I am not following crazy groups or websites; it is reading this thread that is slowly turning me off her. In fact, posts of two posters. I am not generalising it to every fan, but those posts are seriously exhausting for me; at times I think they don't have much reasoning in them, are repetitive and it is serious turn off. I admire that you don't get turned off a skater, but now every time I am going to see the skater I am going to remembers posts like that. And no, I am not new to ice dance; I have been watching skating for more than 30 years. And I usually find a team to support.
If you don't see reasoning using articles than in what?
First you try to make a hater from me because I criticised I&K rhythm issues, easy choreography, not good work of free leg, twizzles and another small issues.....than you mind that I don't see a fair behaviour to LENA and Ruslan....but you yourself admit in one of your last posts, that: "In regards to your question why would be Nikita the first one and the only one to decide, well, Elena was willing to skate with him, and he was not willing to skate with her. That gave him the power. (No, it is not fair, but it all depended on his decision whether he will skate with her or not)."
So, you yourself told that the situation was not fair to Lena and Ruslan, but when I noticed it, you denied it every time I wrote it. Does it give you sense?
I still think that I and K have things to improve in skating, but with or without loving their skating style, I don't like to see unfair behaviour to any skater, no matter if he is good/bad/lovely/brown-haired. If you and some others didn't try to persuade the whole world that Russian Fed is equal to everybody and fair playing, those fights would be never born.
But Bramweld and some others are right, let's finish this, it is really exhausting to try to prove you anything using anything when your answer is pure: You are wrong, wrong and wrong without any article/interview to prove it.
And Elif notice about ignoring my posts are good idea. I would be sad if I would caused that Golden Skate and Lena would loose such fan like you. I am not worthwile it.
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