How this before the Olympics?!?--Z/Z land throw 4sal

Matt · Jan 3, 2006

Just saw this at forumer.com--dunno if it was ratified by the ISU, but wow!!!

You can download the video from 2006 National Games (a.k.a Chinese Nats) here: http://fsvids.9.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1100&st=50

Piel · Jan 3, 2006

Maybe a Russian sweep is not a given!!! :clap:

CDMM1991 · Jan 3, 2006

Matt said:
Just saw this at forumer.com--dunno if it was ratified by the ISU, but wow!!!

It better have been, because it was SQUEAKY CLEAN! :clap:

gkelly · Jan 3, 2006

Why would the ISU ratify anything that happened at a national competition?

Was the competition held under the new judging system? If so, then did the Chinese technical panel call the element as a quad?

If not, there's probably no system for "ratification" any more official than calling Meissner's triple axel at 2005 US Nationals a triple axel. (Although this throw may have been cleaner.)

Ravyn Rant · Jan 3, 2006

Don't get too excited - they had the quad sal before Salt Lake, too, but Shen Xue couldn't hold on to the landing when they attempted it there.
She almost had it, though. Just the attempt was breathtaking. I'd love to see them land it next month!
xoxo,
Rave

mzheng · Jan 3, 2006

Ravyn Rant said:
Don't get too excited - they had the quad sal before Salt Lake, too, but Shen Xue couldn't hold on to the landing when they attempted it there.
She almost had it, though. Just the attempt was breathtaking. I'd love to see them land it next month!
xoxo,
Rave

The difference was Shen never landed quad throw in ANY competetion before 2002 Olympics, though they had the 50% rate in practice leading into the game.

Joesitz (RIP) · Jan 3, 2006

Keep your eyes on the GOE scores! and the lower PCS scores.

Joe

Matt · Jan 3, 2006

I was under the impression that Shen never got credit as to officially landing the 4sal in competition--the SLC competition video says "the Chinese almost made history by becoming the first pair to land a quad throw in competition"

Surprisingly though, Chinese Nats appears to use the modified OBO system of judging put in place before CoP.

Even if the ISU doesn't have any jurisdiction in national championships, it would seem that Z/Z's throw 4sal would be the first to count as being cleanly landed in competition. Technically, Bonaly landed a 4toe at '91 Worlds, but fell on her face about 2 seconds after; the first cleanly landed quad by a woman was given to Ando's 4sal

mzheng · Jan 3, 2006

Matt said:
I was under the impression that Shen never got credit as to officially landing the 4sal in competition--the SLC competition video says "the Chinese almost made history by becoming the first pair to land a quad throw in competition"

Surprisingly though, Chinese Nats appears to use the modified OBO system of judging put in place before CoP.

Even if the ISU doesn't have any jurisdiction in national championships, it would seem that Z/Z's throw 4sal would be the first to count as being cleanly landed in competition. Technically, Bonaly landed a 4toe at '91 Worlds, but fell on her face about 2 seconds after; the first cleanly landed quad by a woman was given to Ando's 4sal

Had 2002 using CoP, I guess S/Z's throw 4Sal would be called so with -3 GOE and another -1 taken out for the fall from the total score. But under 6.0 only those landed one with cleanly flow out counted.

I couldn't believe Chinese Nationals still use the modified OBO instead of CoP system.

Antilles · Jan 3, 2006

I though China's fourth ranked pair (can't remember their names), landed a throw quad about two years back, and received credit for it. Doe someone else remember this?

A "first" at a national championship would be ratified by the ISU, as far as I know. It just needs to be at a sanctioned competition, which nationals are.

mzheng · Jan 3, 2006

Antilles said:
I though China's fourth ranked pair (can't remember their names), landed a throw quad about two years back, and received credit for it. Doe someone else remember this?

A "first" at a national championship would be ratified by the ISU, as far as I know. It just needs to be at a sanctioned competition, which nationals are.

Yea, it's throw quad toe. But she was two footed.

Vash01 · Jan 4, 2006

Antilles said:
I though China's fourth ranked pair (can't remember their names), landed a throw quad about two years back, and received credit for it. Doe someone else remember this?

A "first" at a national championship would be ratified by the ISU, as far as I know. It just needs to be at a sanctioned competition, which nationals are.

Their names are Ding and Ren. They are no longer skating (he is not skating).

Vash

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