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BTW, remind me - did Kim have a full jump repertoire? Because I seem to recall a certain triple missing... an easier one than the 3Lz, I believe.
Oh please. My emotions are not tied up in what people I don't know say about skaters I've never met.
Here is what Jammers wrote: No watering down her programs like Kostner did last year or Mao is doing now. Her programs, not her triple jumps. If Jammers wanted to make the point you're making, the post should have been phrased differently. Of course, Kostner did not initially turn to more conservative jump content by choice but because of an injury, and it seems some people insist on forgetting this. So there you go: I've provided a reminder, while also noting that in terms of non-jump content, they are by no means watered down. BTW, remind me - did Kim have a full jump repertoire? Because I seem to recall a certain triple missing... an easier one than the 3Lz, I believe.
Also, if Kostner and Kim have little to do with this thread, Kwan has even less. Not everything in skating needs to bee linked to Kwan and Kim.
ETA: I forgot to point out that Kostner landed a 3-3 in the SP at both Euros and Worlds last year.
Thanks for the info! So they both had to give up on a jump due to injury... I didn't know that - I am less familiar with Kim's career so I wasn't aware of the timing or the reasons for the change.Yes. Kim did 3Lo for 2 seasons IIRC (I think she had it in her Miss Saigon program jump layout, but can't remember for sure as it was my least favorite of hers), but dropped it due to injury. She still doesn't do it regularly b/c of the fear of aggravating the old injury (I believe it was to her hips/lower back).
Anyway, I think it would be great to see some difficult jump combinations (3/3) and triples from ladies, regardless of how you feel about CaroK, YunaK, or MichelleK. It's always good to see skaters push themselves.
Funny, I was just thinking that Ashley's program was very polished, and the choreography is wonderful. I think, perhaps she is a tiny bit heavy on her feet where the jumps come in (they are a bit low and labored), but obviously, this is a young woman who runs that program over and over and over again until each step is perfect. There is nothing sloppy about her skating. (IMO of course)
calstudent, you're still confusing jump difficulty with overall program difficulty. It is possible for a skater to do something of perhaps lesser difficulty in terms of jumps but incorporate more challenging non-jump elements and other program content.
Thanks for the info! So they both had to give up on a jump due to injury... I didn't know that - I am less familiar with Kim's career so I wasn't aware of the timing or the reasons for the change.
I agree about it being nice to see more difficult jump content; OTOH, I worry for the skaters' health and there ability to remain in the sport for an extended period of time. Thinking of someone like Kostner, she's grown so much as a performer over the years, and it would be a shame to have her career shortened in pursuit of more difficult jumps. Or Korpi, who has finally made it to the GPF and has lovely programs. Or Akiko, whose breakthrough came at an age where skaters in the past might have been retired. I really like the current trend towards longer careers, and I think it helps the skaters develop as performers. So if doing a bit less on the jump front but with correct technique and care for one's health facilitates this, I'm fine with that..
I thought Ashley's program was the most complete and yes, very polished. I like the ride-out on her jumps and her spins are very good. Everything flowed together so smoothly. Well done! But what happened to the triple lutz--not just for Ashley, but for all of the ladies?
Maybe they decided that they don't need the jump to win so they all deleted it from their repertoire? Makes sense, esp. for those getting e on 3Lz.
Well, obviously. Maybe the 3-lutz should be worth more, to encourage more skaters to learn to do it.
Maybe it says something that Kostner had to water down her jumps to be more consistent. That tells me she's not a great skater if she has to do that.
Maybe it says something that Kostner had to water down her jumps to be more consistent. That tells me she's not a great skater if she has to do that.
But what happened to the triple lutz--not just for Ashley, but for all of the ladies?
Mao's music choice is not a good one for her imo and the choreography seems "off".