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here is an even more amazing photo: http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/tv/2013/03/20/1363765969_484593.jpg
Yes, Yuna is in there.
good grief. it's like playing where is waldo.
here is an even more amazing photo: http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/tv/2013/03/20/1363765969_484593.jpg
Yes, Yuna is in there.
good grief. it's like playing where is waldo.
Man, that is one impressive mob! How great that there's a country somewhere on the planet that gives skating the respect it deserves.
My Korean friends here get a Korean newspaper published in this country. He showed me that she made the front page and was featured with large photos on an interior page. Well deserved, might I add.
The press waiting for Yuna Kim at the Incheon Airport on March 20th. picture
here is an even more amazing photo: http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/tv/2013/03/20/1363765969_484593.jpg
Yes, Yuna is in there.
Heh... FYI Olympia
http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy176/os168_photo/232218h2eqdfgruowfyyqy_zps01d5093d.jpg
This was the headliners yesterday, before she even set foot back in Korea. I wonder what it might be tomorrow.
Superior, yes, just not 20 points superior. She also didn't deserve any 10s in her PCS, in my opinion. She is very, very good--I'm not disputing that. But it is her jumps that set her apart. Anyone can see that without GOEs.
She definitely deserved +GOE on all of her elements, but the amount was too much. Her 3Sal jumps are +1 GOE worthy, not any more than that. Her 2Axel+2Toe+2Loop was +1 worthy. Her spins could even really just get +1 GOE and that would be fair. Those elements got a whole heaping amount of +2 GOE's, and some +3's too (no way did that Choreography Step Sequence or last 2Axel deserve +3 either). That's uncalled for.
YuNa was given massive GOE's and a couple 10.0's in PCS--inflated, yes--because she was the last to skate and judges knew it wouldn't matter what they gave her; she was going to win and she was the only one who went clean in the final flight so it was time to go crazy.
I am almost certain if it was much closer, they would have been more measured in the scores.
It is definitely a problem. I agree with both yourself and jenaj on this. It mattered less here when the best skater was the last to skate but it mattered e.g. in the Men's competition, and it will matter into the future. We need a better balance of quality, quantity, and variety, and of risk and reward.I think this is a consequence -- and flaw -- of the IJS. The scoring system pushes the judges to pile on the points for the person that they thought skated the best.
Take Patrick Chan, for instance. Under 6.0, if you were a judge you might decide that overall, despite the errors, Patrick skated the best and deserved to win. So you give him your first-place ordinal. All straightforward and aboveboard. If other judges disagree, so be it. You have done all you can.
But with the CoP, if you think Patrick skated the best and deserves to win, then you have to make sure it comes out that way by your marks. Who knows how the points will eventually tally up, with all the pluses and minus. So if you are firm in your conviction, your only option is to toss a bunch of +2's and 9.5s into the mix.
In the case of a dominant performance like Kim's, this results in a 20-point win instead of 10.
Man, that is one impressive mob! How great that there's a country somewhere on the planet that gives skating the respect it deserves.
My Korean friends here get a Korean newspaper published in this country. He showed me that she made the front page and was featured with large photos on an interior page. Well deserved, might I add.
I was surprised Yu Na did not top her Vancouver LP score as I thought it might have been an even better performance but that is probably due to some of the rule changes since. Her scores in both cases were exactly right and very appropriate. Some are only upset as their favorites will never reach those point totals even skating their absolute best (actually that applies to everyone else), but that is the reality when a skater is the best, and the others are not.
I think the massive welcome and media craziness is more (mostly) about she is Yuna Kim and she is a World champion and has earned 3 spots for Korea in 2014 Olympics than how much the respect the country gives to the figure skating.
I was surprised Yu Na did not top her Vancouver LP score as I thought it might have been an even better performance but that is probably due to some of the rule changes since. Her scores in both cases were exactly right and very appropriate. Some are only upset as their favorites will never reach those point totals even skating their absolute best (actually that applies to everyone else), but that is the reality when a skater is the best, and the others are not.
And if that is right (which, considering the source, I freely stipulate ), then in its own way it reinforces my view that the GOEs ought to be left alone.As I recall, the decision of the ISU technical committee in 2010 to adjust the GOEs carried a double motivation. What they really wanted to do was to increase the spread of reward for quality of elements. Judges tended to give out mostly 0s and a few 1s and -1s. It was practically impossible to get a 3 no matter what you did. So they sent out instructions to the judges (via seminars, etc.), that they should give a wider spread in order to emphasize the differences among pretty good, superior, and wow! They redesigned the bullets at the same time, in order the better to guide the judges' decisions.
But then, if the judges were expected to give out more +2s and +3s than before, the technical committee figured that they had to be scaled back by 70% so that the GOEs wouldn't overwhelm other aspects of the scoring. So now we have a spread (for a triple jump) of -2.1 to +2.1, instead of from -3 to +3, but at the same time the judges are encouraged to make freer use of the whole range.
-more fundamentally, there is a reason that the Olympic motto is Citius, Altius, Fortius (Faster, Higher, Stronger). These are, when you strip everything extraneous away, the very essence and definition of athletics and sport, and are exactly what GOEs are designed to capture in the current system. Even a moment's contemplation should show this to be true and self-evident. When ordinary viewers watch a jump, the primary adrenaline rush comes from appreciating the speed, height, and power (delay, etc.) of it. It's not the savoring of the edge or anything like that,...
The bravura terseness of your Latin style is irresistable. The author of De Bello Gallico would turn green with envy.May I add one little thing here? About savoring that edge... That is the afterglow that follows the rush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1imuQWeIi4Q#t=1m51s
It is also the skater's opportunity to whisper to her competitors, "In Faciem Tuam, chumps."