Quad toe, quad sal, quad lutz. The last only in practice thus far, I believe, along with putting them into combinations. The junior ladies are not slowing down.
But keep going, Alysa. Great progress this spring & summer! Keep at it.
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Quad toe, quad sal, quad lutz. The last only in practice thus far, I believe, along with putting them into combinations. The junior ladies are not slowing down.
But keep going, Alysa. Great progress this spring & summer! Keep at it.
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The thing is, since Alysa cannot compete as a junior internationally until 2019-20, by then the current Russian top juniors (aka those with quads/3As) will likely have transitioned to senior (and thus cannot compete with Alysa), or if they haven't, it would likely be because they are struggling with growth issues (and thus would serve as weaker competition). So there's no point in trying to compare them now.
Of course, some new Russians-with-quads may pop up, but we'll have to wait and see.
Of course, some new Russians-with-quads may pop up, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Good, this is the point exactly. That's not the people Alysa would be competing against. She'd be against the late 04-early 06 age groups, and the weaker 03-04ers who didn't get promoted to seniors right away(This won't include any quad / 3Aers). And at this point in time, these age groups aren't as good as Alysa is. Of course, you never know - Especially with the three ladies who recently moved under Eteri, them whipping up quads out of nowhere in a year would certainly be possible. But none of them do strike me as quite such jumping talents at this point in time.
I do hope that Alysa manages to work on her PCS categories though, especially skating skills. This is where she is quite a bit weaker than many of the Russian girls. On the other hand, the actual PCS categories don't really matter in juniors. Even a weaker PCS skater will only get 2, maybe 3 less PCS than a very strong PCS skater. It's not really a factor until the senior ranks, which means that Alysa Liu really is the clear favorite if she can get her 3A / 3A combos consistent within a year(Which should be expected).
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Sorry to bother you, where can I see the detailed scores? And one more question - why the competition were held in such low lighting of the ice arena? Regarding Alisa by the words of Brian Orser - "I am concerned about the health of the girl trying to jump quads at such a young age."
Serious demands & requirements at such a young age are unacceptable. The main insufficiency - instead of skating, we see her walking on the ice. Most of the program she spends with a deviation from the vertical position of no more than 15 degree. It's the deep edge skating that allows to get the pulse speed at the momentum of the jump. if 3A from the vertical position will be assigned mentally all the other jumps can be considered lost. That's why it is studied in the last place.
It remains to answer the question why during skating an athlete avoids the maximum deviation (Kostornaya is about 45 degree) from the vertical position. Weakness of the vestibular apparatus. View Konstantinova skating - her vestibular system at 18 is of a ten-year gymnast. Hence the unexpected falls even when she stops, the minimum number of rotations in skating and spins, attempts to get the jump momentum pulse speed with the body lies parallel to the ice and a supporting/pushing leg bent at the knee perpendicular to the surface.
To make it clear look 14 y.o. Artur Danialayn 3A/3Lz - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq8sFw1DANw
I wish Alica every success.
P.S. in football/hockey there is a concept of "fast legs" - 8 y.o. Kamila Valieva (2015) 2Lz, 2T, 1A, CCoSp4, 2F+2T, 2Lo, 2Lz+2Lo, FCSpn4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKR5cdPAdh0 - pay attention to the blades change tacks helping to gain speed
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Let's be hyped for what Alysa is doing right now, not focus on 2+ years down the road. We can look forward to her future on the JGP circuit without crowning her already. US ladies have a history of fizzling out before they can accomplish anything major at the senior level, and there are factors such as growth and injury that can derail careers. It's nice to have a US lady to be excited about considering the relative bleakness of the current field, but let's give her some time.
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Anyone knows about Isabeau Levito? Just become a fan of her
I think that Isabeau Levito was at this summer's USFS High Performance Singles Camp, which just ended today? (Also known as ISP Camp.)
I think Isabeau is third from the left in Madison Nguyen's second photo, and second from the left in Madison's third photo?
Madison and Isabeau seem to have missed the big group photo of skaters at this year's camp (and it is possible that other ladies also missed it), but if(??) I am not mistaken (corrections welcome), the ladies shown are:
Front row (left to right):
Jessica Lin (half-crouching)
Starr Andrews
Alysa Liu
Back row (left to right):Starr Andrews
Alysa Liu
Lily Sun
Angelina Huang
Emily Zhang
Brynne McIsaac
Sarah Jung
Ellen Slavicek
Ting Cui
Pooja Kalyan
Akari Nakahara
Indi Cha
Maxine Marie Bautista
Emilea Zingas
Alyssa Chan
Emma Coppess
Audrey Shin
Hanna Harrell
Ashley Lin
Angelina Huang
Emily Zhang
Brynne McIsaac
Sarah Jung
Ellen Slavicek
Ting Cui
Pooja Kalyan
Akari Nakahara
Indi Cha
Maxine Marie Bautista
Emilea Zingas
Alyssa Chan
Emma Coppess
Audrey Shin
Hanna Harrell
Ashley Lin
(If anyone cares, a list of men at the camp + links to other camp photos are in the U.S. Men thread.)
No Kaitlyn. Oh no.
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With Mirai out, A LOT of US spots are now open for the GP circuit!!!!! The perfect time to turn senior and get a great opportunity. Who will we see??
Obviously 2 spots:
Bradie Tennell
Mariah Bell
Karen Chen
Courtney Hicks
Maybes:
Starr Andrews
Angela Wang
Amber Glenn
Francesca Chiera
Actually , these maybes are probably certainties at this point; there’s no one else to take it from them. Congratulations to these ladies for getting an opportunity on the GP.
Obviously 2 spots:
Bradie Tennell
Mariah Bell
Karen Chen
Courtney Hicks
Maybes:
Starr Andrews
Angela Wang
Amber Glenn
Francesca Chiera
Actually , these maybes are probably certainties at this point; there’s no one else to take it from them. Congratulations to these ladies for getting an opportunity on the GP.
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Agree with concorde that making accurate predictions is not so easy. :agree:
I wish all ladies the best
, but the only guarantees are that Bradie and Mariah get two GPs each; Karen gets at least one.IMO: Karen probably gets two. It is not at all "obvious" to me that Courtney would get two.
At the moment, Franchesca Chiera is not in this season's ISP.
Well … I cannot rule out the possibility that Kaitlyn Nguyen was at ISP Camp.
(I did not spy her in the big group photo from the first day, nor in the other assorted photos that I happened to see -- but that could mean nothing one way or the other.)
In any case, I hope all is well with her.
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Courtney only got 1 last year. Why would she be a lock for 2 this year?
To me, I want Ting and Starr to both get GP experience, however, this seems unlikely as both would be fighting for the host spot
To me, I want Ting and Starr to both get GP experience, however, this seems unlikely as both would be fighting for the host spot
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Why is it “obvious” Courtney will get two? She didn’t exactly have a great season and she had a rough nats....
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In fact I think she may not even get 1..
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Won’t one of the federations pick Courtney? Even though she isn’t in the top 24? She’s familiar with the federations.
And Franchesca can’t be picked at all because she isn’t on the ISP ?
Wow, had no idea about all these specifics. So, if you’re a skater who’s NOT guaranteed a GP spot, you need to hope and pray that your federation will “politick” for u to get an invite?
Oh, and something else: is there a possibility that the federations won’t choose to invite US ladies besides those who’re already guaranteed one?
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Is Ting staying junior or going senior?
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I could see Starr getting first found pick. She has some experience internationally already and with Ashley (likely) and Mirai sitting out this season that kinda puts Starr as our pewter ranked girl already as she was 6th at Nationals. Since Mariah and Karen are getting two spots anyway, they don't need SA, so giving the next highest ranked lady ant US nationals the second spot does not seem out of line.
Ting can be a favorite for the host spot provided no one out wows her this summer.
Then again Ting is slightly higher on the season best list, so she may be in a better spot than Starr. Who knows. But the USA does seem to be influenced by Nationals for their selections. I would like to see Ting at a Challenger/Senior B event before SA though.
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Ting needs a coach first and foremost though
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Agreed. She needs stability.
Given Courtney's poor performance at Nationals I expect her to have only one GP. And even that one is a stretch. With her SB being in the alternate list, USFS may chose not to politic for her as allow her to get a substitution spot like last year.
Angela placed 7th at nationals, they may politic a spot for her. Same for Starr. Amber's SB was 150, far too low for th alternates list. But she's having good summer performance, so she may get the SA spot this year. Um... I don't think Francesca is getting anything until she proves herself.
She's not in the top 24. Her SB is 182 and is 41st on the SB list. Even if I take out juniors and those not doing the GP she still only rises to 35. That's good enough for a substitution spot if someone needs to drop out. It's how she got SC last year.
